Vaccination

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Vaccination - The Hidden Truth (1998)
Taycare pty ltd.
1 hr 30 min 31 sec - Apr 10, 2006
www.vaccination.inoz.com

This is the shocking but extremely informative video documentary Vaccination - The Hidden Truth (1998) where fifteen people, including Dr. ... all » Viera Scheibner (a PhD researcher), five medical doctors, other researchers, reveal what is really going on in relation to illness and vaccines. Ironically, the important facts come from the orthodox medicine?s own peer-reviewed research. With so much government and medical promotion of vaccination for prevention of disease, the video is clearly devoted to presenting the other side of the issue that parents and others are not being told. The result is a damning account of the ineffectiveness of vaccines and their often harmful effects. It declares that parents are not being told the truth by the media, the Health Department and the medical establishment, with a medical doctor, Dr. Mark Donohoe, confessing that "It is a problem for me that I am part of a profession that is systematically lying to people?". Find out how vaccines are proven to have harmful effects to your health and why do we still have to be vaccinated although there is no real need for it. Although many people simply refuse to believe this, the impeccable documentation presented in this amazing video has changed the minds of many who saw it. 90 min

link to video (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8610554679207090010&q=vaccination)

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ignorance really is bliss sometimes ey

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[aussiemu]

assalamu alaikum,

There is a good argument against vaccinations (at least some of them) but I can't remember the full details. I would still get vaccinated though.

Just a note - if you ever want to come for Hajj you're going to have to get vaccinated :)

wassalamu alaikum

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assalamu alaikum,

There is a good argument against vaccinations (at least some of them) but I can't remember the full details. I would still get vaccinated though.

Just a note - if you ever want to come for Hajj you're going to have to get vaccinated :)

wassalamu alaikum


I went to hajj without vaccination, so there are ways around it.

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i just looked at the link and it was a load of garbage really .. not a single piece of evidence, no clincal trials, no critical appraisal, no meta analysis.. sheesh ..

Did you watch the video or just look at the link??

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i dont see the point.. vaccination just uses an innocous pathogen to kick start the immune response.. nothing tricky there

I take it you dont know anything about vaccinations, how is injecting an animal's DNA kick starting the immune system??

[aussiemu]

assalamu alaikum,

Catcher - was it because the embassy/immigration at Saudi was slack?

Generally though it's more the third world countries they are worried about.

wassalamu alaikum

[Al Baitel 'ateeq]

I didn't watch the video, but i've seen horror vaccination stories on the news.

Personally i'd still give my kids a vaccine, but then if it went wrong, i probably wouldn't do it again. The risk seems very minimal.

[Catcher]

assalamu alaikum,

Catcher - was it because the embassy/immigration at Saudi was slack?

Generally though it's more the third world countries they are worried about.

wassalamu alaikum


Only if you have a doctor's certificate to say that the vaccination is bad for your health, or if you are pergent.

[aussiemu]

Catcher: Ah yes that would probably do the trick. But in general, I don't think many doctors in Australia would issue them (unless it was actually true).

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my understanding of a vaccine is where a for eg a innocuous form of a virus is injected as to trigger an immune response without the virus causing any damage to the body..

akhi do u have any medical qualifications.. just out of curiousity

no I dont have a medical qualification, but I have 5 childern so I have looked quite deep into the subject over a long period of time and have chosen not to vaccinate them.
In vaccine's you can find animal DNA, mercury, chicken embroy, famaldehyde and so on, you are better of getting sick and building up your on immunity.

[compLicated]

we get vaccinated at skool every year ( i think) for maninjacokul...wotever u spell it...
once i got REALLY sick!! but i think that was the side affect

[UmmRashid]

Vaccinations are a very serious issue. I hesitantly vaccinated my son, and also have had most done for my daughter. But i really hate the idea. I think in future i'll either not vaccinate or selectively vaccinate.

It is very complex and there are 2 sides to it, there always is. But i think the most important thing is to educate yourself on the issue and to make an informed decision. Dont just vaccinate because people tell you you should.

My mum got extremely ill from a vaccination recently as some of the sisters here will know, its just made me more weary of them.

[Waiting all my life...]

I think the risks of not getting the vaccination out weigh the risks of having it!!! A good friend of mine has 2 daughters and one son. They were all vaccinated and the daughters were fine but the son had a very bad reaction! But still after all that the mother does not regret what she did as that same vaccination saved her daughters life when she became sick and if she hadnt had the vaccination she would have died! Of course it is up to the parents but i believe you should give your children vaccinations, it would make it so hard for them to go to school and crech as i know alot of schools and creches will not except your child if they have not been vaccinated! Whats so bad about one injection if it helps your child in the long run!

[UmmRashid]

As i stated before its a very complex issue. First of all we dont fully understand vaccinations and their effects. Secondly, although the idea of being vaccinated is not that bad, i totally dont trust the pharmeceuticals who make these things, their priority is making money, and the welfare of our children is not really their focus. There have been extremely dangerous things found in vaccinations (do you know people have effectively injected mercury into their children) and they will only take them out when the government makes them do so, despite the associated risks being well documented. I'm not sure about australia but i know this is an issue still ins ome places in america, but i think they are phasing it out. The other issue is that we are injecting our children with something that comes from inside an animal. Think about what this means. And keep in mind that they can only test for diseases they are aware of. Effectively this means that they can potentially inject directly into a bloodstream a disease that they do not know exists. Similarly to how they have done so in the past with blood transfusions. It can be very risky. The other issue is the effectiveness of vaccinations. If you look at graphs of how they have reduced the rates of certain diseases it is very impressive. However if you look closer at the bigger picture and a graph that include more historical date you'd notice that the rates had actually been going down well before the introduction of vaccinations, they were on a steady downward fall from well before then, and for the most part just continued on that downward fall. So its most likely that other factors (ie better hygienic conditions) lead to the reduction of the disease.

The other point is that most of the illnesses that we vaccinate against are actually relatively harmless for normal healthy children. Not only that but by having these illnesses and by the child going through it and fighting off the disease it builds up their immune system and makes them stronger.

Last but not least is the potential reactions, sometimes kids can have very bad reactions, and sadly in sometimes (admittedly very rarely) it can be fatal.

There have been individuals who are from the industry who couldnt stay silent about the irresponsibility and danger of vaccinations and have gotten out and spoken about it. They have lost a lot to bring this information to us.

There are 2 sides to this debate and i encourage you to look at both. But one thing to remember is that the vaccination industry is a billion dollar industry...and i simply do not trust these kind of people, they are business people and they are ruthless and we all know what kind of immoral and dangerous things have been done for $$. On the other hand those that have spoken out against vaccinations often do so with no financial or very little financial reward, and often have made great sacrifices to have their side heard.

Oh and for the record, its got nothing to do with the injection. I have no issue exposing my children to some very short term pain for their long term benefit, IF i think its worthwhile.

And its actually illegal for chidl care centres and schools to refuse children that are unvaccinated. All they can do is get them to stay home if an outbreak does occur.