Refugees in Commission Flats

[مروة]

:salam:

I was speaking to a person today who works with refugees who live in the carlton commission flats..

Basically he said that as part of a church group they organise activities, help kids with homework etc..

All that is well and good.. but when i asked him frankly whether they also promote christianity to these people, he responded quite honestly and said yes.

I asked him whether they would be willing to work in conjunction with muslims, he said he has nothing against working with muslims as long as they are not affiliated with an islamic organisation..

He also said that their attitude is that they love these refuges despite the fact that they are muslim but they do not accept the islamic teachings..

To be honest i felt very dissapointed.. Dissapointed that we let our brothers and sisters receive help from the Kuffar and Mushrikeen who are clearly out there to brainwash them..

Is anyone aware of any islamic organisation that works in the commission flats?? If yes, who? If no, why not??

:wasalam:

[cheesegirl]

:salam:

:(

Who was the guy?

This should be added to this list of things our community needs. Our Muslim brothers and sisters should be getting help from us, not from others with evil agenda's!!

[aussiemu]

I don't consider it an evil agenda. I mean it's wrong from our perspective but they are just doing their own da'wah just like we do our own da'wah. It's our own fault of course that we don't provide the help they provide.

[Shadower]

At least someone is helping them. If the Muslim community has an issue, then step up to the task.

[cheesegirl]

Obviously they don't see it as evil, but (in my opinion) it is evil, the work of the devil...

May Allah guide them...

[Musa]

Church groups are some of the richest and well-manned groups in the nation, its hard to meet them on all fronts.
Ultimately we have the Truth and they have falsehood.
God is with us and they are alone.

[Shadower]

Obviously they don't see it as evil, but (in my opinion) it is evil, the work of the devil...

May Allah guide them...

To them you are evil, to you they are evil. At the end of the day everyone is evil.

[Shadower]

Why? I thought we liked throwing the word evil around like it means nothing.

[graph]

I don't know why they even keep these high rise flats. They should shut them all down.

[Shadower]

Where would the people go Graph? I agree they are hideous, but what about the people?

[graph]

They can just go rent houses in the suburbs like everyone else.

[Musa]

They can just go rent houses in the suburbs like everyone else.With rent prices as high as they are?
I couldn't stand staying in a building like those, but when finance issues come into it I'd move in if it meant I'd be better off in the end.
Most stay there for a while and eventually move out once they have the money as far as I'm aware.

[Shadower]

You make it sound so easy.

[graph]

You are talking about people who lived in refugee camps for god knows how long and under what circumstances..

So?? They have jobs don't they?

[Shadower]

Yeah, but not all are citizens hence they would not be getting Centrelink benefits.

[graph]

Explain to me why they need to live there but poor aussies and poor arabs can live anywhere. I don't get it. Whats so special about them?

[Musa]

Explain to me why they need to live there but poor aussies and poor arabs can live anywhere. I don't get it. Whats so special about them?Aussies and Arabs don't live in commision flats now you say???

[Shadower]

Other communities moved out of the commission housing mode, some are newer and yet to move out. It will take time, but eventually they will be on their feet and become productive parts of the Australian economy.

Or, live the rest of their lives off Centrelink, either way, they will eventually move out of the flats.

[cheesegirl]

Church groups are some of the richest and well-manned groups in the nation, its hard to meet them on all fronts.
Ultimately we have the Truth and they have falsehood.
God is with us and they are alone.

Excellent point. :thumbsup: I sometimes think we expect too much out of our community too soon with out looking at the bigger picture.

[Shadower]

Or, we expect too little.

[UmmRashid]

Just because their refugees doesnt mean they lived in refugee camps. i've come accross many refugees from very affluent backgrounds and lived in houses which were better than anything i've experienced. And they havent set foot in refugee camps.

And unless anything has changed in the past couple of years i think you'll find that all refugees get some kind of centrelink benefits.

I remember years and years ago i discovered that theres very little difference in rent in terms of housing commission as opposed to private rental. By the time you take rent assistance into account anyhow. But i suspect this would have changed as rental prices are so high now.

Although i dont think i could rule anything out i think i would do my utmost to never live in those places. I grew up in collingwood and went to school with kids from there and the things i used to hear and see were really scarey. And because the school was so close to the flats we used to always find drug needles and other things laying around. I would hate to bring my kids up in a place like that. Its funny when i was there it was quite normal and i knew the criminals etc and it was no big deal at the time, but once i left i wondered how we ever lived there.

[Friedman]

It would probably be better for the people in those places if the buildings were sold off and the people distributed around Melbourne so they are living in normal housing. It would be better for them and the community. I don't know how people can justify keeping those horrible filthy flats.

[Sammi]

Graph check out the commission flats in Coburg East...almost all Aussies. Those flats should be shut down majority of them people are polluting the area, they used to come into our old shop off their heads.
They caused sooo much trouble with their stealing...
I have no idea about commision flats in Carlton/FLemington etc.

[graph]

Shut all of them down, I say.

[Sammi]

I just got told there are a lot of drugs going on in commission flats, even ones that are predominantly muslim...

[Fatoum 7ees Beese]

Not all commission's nasty. I’ve seen sum damn pretty ones in the Altona and werribee areas, my cousin started off in one, it was neater and better than an ordinary house ud rent!
Alhamdulilah she lived ‘normally’ and safely n it saved her heapss$$$ and the neighbors were great. Normal street with normal houses n normal ppl! :brow:

Why should you be any surprised about the Coburg n Carlton commision flats. Just thinkin about it... ewww!!
It is sad how the kuffar are caring for our brothers n siters, n we'r doin nuthing about it!

[Sunshine]

Do you think they are bad for taking help from them?

There are alot of refugees who have been traumatised over years and years, it is very easy to sit there behind your PC or laptop with your wonderful education and sense of freedom isnt it? Life is not black and white.

[aussiemu]

Fatoum are those normal housing commission flats or the commision buildings? I think what Friedman mentioned about putting people in normal homes spread around the place is much better than having people in those buildings. There is a lot of problems in those buildings which can't be denied.

[salamualaykum]

salamualaykum,

I couldn't help laughing as i read through the post in this thread. It started off with a suggestion that we should help out the poor refugees in these flats instead of allowing them to fall victims to christian propoganda, and all anybody could do was sit back and criticise these poor people and their living conditions. How do you think they would feel if they were to read half the stuff that was said on here?

I mean no wonder the christians are beating us to helping out these poorer minority groups. All we can do is sit back and bicker about their conditions.

One suggestion for the sis/bro who defined the living arrangements of these poor people as "filthy" is to perhapse go and offer some cleaning assistance, you would get much more rewards for it.

salamualaykum

[cheesegirl]

^You are making it sound like these people are just innocent, helpless souls, although the posters have already made it clear they were referring to drug users/thieves/criminals etc.

[Fatoum 7ees Beese]

Do you think they are bad for taking help from them?

There are alot of refugees who have been traumatised over years and years, it is very easy to sit there behind your PC or laptop with your wonderful education and sense of freedom isnt it? Life is not black and white.

What! Am i saying they’re bad for taking help from them?? Absolutely not!
I’m saying its SIMPLY SAD that the kuffar are caring for them and not us... If i were to help i wouldnt know where to start! so yalla get off ur bottom and start doing sumthing about it, let me know when u do so i can be at any assistance!
Allah yehdeeki.

[Friedman]

Not all the people who live in the flats are disadvantaged or poor. A lot of them have jobs and do very well so its a stereotype to say they are all refugees and poor.

The flats are ugly and dirty adn if any of you went there you would hate to live there I am sure. It's not our job to clean them up or look after the people, it' sthe job of the government.

[cheesegirl]

Dirty in what way? I'm not so sure what kind of flats you are talking about...

I seem to have only vague memories about what they look like...

[Sammi]

The flats are dirty, they are just a mess inside and out. So run down and old. Fatoum is referring to a commission house I think not the flats. Commission houses are a different story. But the flats ewww there are so many problems there drugs and violence. I would never ever buy a house in a commission flat area because I think it'd be unsafe.
Btw, I don't mean all the people living in the flats are bad...

[Fatoum 7ees Beese]

Yeh it is a commission house. Double story and very, very neat.

[Najah]

Dont you have to fall under certain criteria to be able to live in these commission houses or flats? Some of them are very run down I agree, but some people have no choice, they have family situations where this type of housing is of help to them, and unless your talking about the flats specifically the houses I've seen are quite nice!

But this thread was asking if there are any organisations out there that deal with housing commission - so is there? Also meme how come the guy said he wont deal with an islamic organisation, how come? cause of fear of terrorism? What about the adult migrant centres?

[مروة]

He said he wont deal with islamic organisations because they want to
"remain strictly christian in what they do"

[Sunshine]

Sub7an Allah.. Read over what i said before judging me and jumping to conclusions.. La 7awla walla quwata illa billah

Is that meant for me? If it was then you are wrong in thinking I was aiming that at you, but no need to get upset Sister. I was infact saying this to Graph.

[Sunshine]

What! Am i saying they’re bad for taking help from them?? Absolutely not!
I’m saying its SIMPLY SAD that the kuffar are caring for them and not us... If i were to help i wouldnt know where to start! so yalla get off ur bottom and start doing sumthing about it, let me know when u do so i can be at any assistance!
Allah yehdeeki.

OK, I will let you know when I get off my bottom and do something for the community.

[Sunshine]

I know in my area there are alot of Sudanese refugees that have come and they get alot of support from the Church groups in our area. I hear rumors aswell, lol, like they get brand new toyotas. I dont think thats true but people talk.

It would be a big commitment to start an org to help refugees with housing though. I wonder though, the housing systemis provided by the Government so the Church groups are doing what? Helping to fill in forms? Or aiding in different ways like food packs or something?

Your right though, high rise flats scare me as well, I htink when you are out in a situation though you become stronger and less frightened by things? Allahu Alim but I don know people who like the high rise because there are so many people to have contact with, alot of people coming here complain about the fact that we are all so quiet and dont mix enough.

Ahh well ,May Allah help all of the Muslims, Ameen. We all want what is best for our children and families.

[مروة]

Is that meant for me? If it was then you are wrong in thinking I was aiming that at you, but no need to get upset Sister. I was infact saying this to Graph.

Sorry :o I should take me own advice :smack:

[Sunshine]

Dont worry its not a big deal.

[Friedman]

Don't you think letting Sudanese refugees in was a big mistake though?

[S I M B A]

Don't you think letting Sudanese refugees in was a big mistake though?

from afrika we think its a big mistake.

[aussiemu]

What happened with the Sudanese refugees?

[Jimmy]

:banghead:

[daral-harb]

lol Jimmy

[chickenrice]

I think giving the immigration portfolio to Kevin Andrews was a big mistake. Thank God those days are over.

[strawb]

This is a very sad thread.
It started out with the christians helping out refugees and then became a thread where if you live in a commission house/flat you must live in filth and drugs.And so many are frowning upon those whose do live in these flats :(
I have been in them, and it can be a nice surprise, Some are clean and comfortable.
Instead of looking down your nose, and calling the christians evil for helping.
Why not offer them the help they need?
How can you call evil those that do help, and do nothing yourself?

[daral-harb]

Jimmy
You wanna be careful
doing that and your going to damage the desk
:giggle2:

[cheesegirl]

Instead of looking down your nose, and calling the christians evil for helping.
Why not offer them the help they need?
How can you call evil those that do help, and do nothing yourself?

By all means, I do not consider their giving help to be evil, what I called evil was the hidden agenda, the fact that they are trying to convert these people. It is evil even if they only intended good by it.

And I really don't care if anyone disagrees with me on that.