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forbidden_fruit
15-May-2005, 10:50 PM
assalamu alaykum

I'm havin some problems! im in the middle of year 12 and I'm completely confused with the career I should persue, I dont want to make any fast decision and then regret it. What are some careers that are suitable for a muslimah ??

If any of u have any ideas please speak up!

Jazakum Allahu Khair :)

wa alaykum assalam

amatul_rahmaan
15-May-2005, 10:59 PM
things that for sure permissible for women: education, medecine (doctor nurse) and trade.

sydlaw
15-May-2005, 11:05 PM
where do you think your talent lies? are you more artistic? or is your temperament more scientific? are you better at written or spoken communication?

forbidden_fruit
15-May-2005, 11:12 PM
I dont have any specific talent, I just want to know of some good options that I can look at and consider taking inshaAllah See if anything tickles my fancy!

Peace
15-May-2005, 11:30 PM
teaching seems like a practical choice!!

forbidden_fruit
15-May-2005, 11:43 PM
Yeh I've thought about that, but I dont want it to be my only option!

sydlaw
15-May-2005, 11:47 PM
assalamu alaykum.

do you have any physical or other restrictions? would you prefer to dress in a certain way or limit the extent to which you leave home?

ma salama

modest_muslima
15-May-2005, 11:57 PM
Are you considering anything at the moment?
I think we are more limited living in Australia as to our career options. Not many people would employ a sister in hijab, and you wouldn't want to work for many organisations here either!

forbidden_fruit
16-May-2005, 12:04 AM
Yes alhamdulilah, I do were the hijab and maybe one day the full abayah when I reach the work force InshaAllah.

I do find that career options are limited as well, the reason why I need to think carefully about my choice, InshaAllah Allah will help me find my way.

sydlaw
16-May-2005, 12:19 AM
assalamu alaykum.

what are your criteria for the perfect job?

ma salama

modest_muslima
16-May-2005, 12:25 AM
Sister i suggest you check out http://jobguide.dest.gov.au/ It gives a list of jobs and what education you need (and where you can get it) to find yourself in one of these positions.

dijma
16-May-2005, 12:30 AM
Pakistan just announced it first ever female fighter pilot.... did that provoke any thoughts? :)

sydlaw
16-May-2005, 12:36 AM
assalamu alaykum.

djima, may the air force be with you!

ma salama

dijma
16-May-2005, 12:39 AM
Hasbunallaahu wa ni'mal wakeel, wa kafa billaahi naseera

Najah
16-May-2005, 12:40 AM
Are you considering anything at the moment?
I think we are more limited living in Australia as to our career options. Not many people would employ a sister in hijab, and you wouldn't want to work for many organisations here either!

Assalamu alaikum

Thats where your wrong sis, I put hijab on in year 12, and started working in the first year at uni casually as a filing clerk in a law firm, I've worked in a call centre, finance company, government department and recruitment agency, and now in the medical industry, all with hijab. So you would be surprised those who actually don't care. On the other note though, I don't think a muslima in hijab would fit into a very corporate role, and I wouldn't want to either, government departments are the way to go sometimes cause they are all equal opportunity. Just make sure your career path is going to get you a job that will be 100% halal, thats the thing I'd worry about when trying to find a job.

Najah
16-May-2005, 12:43 AM
assalamu alaykum.

do you have any physical or other restrictions? would you prefer to dress in a certain way or limit the extent to which you leave home?

ma salama

What kinds of questions are those? Compromising the way u dress isn't an option. Physical restrictions might be a hinderance for certain positions but not all. And limiting the extent to which she leaves the home - part time work? A sister that is going to be restricted in leaving the home probably isn't going to be one that is working anyways.

sydlaw
16-May-2005, 12:44 AM
assalamu alaykum.

i agree, najah. but i have no idea what the sista's limitations are. or her perceived limitations.

ma salama

dijma
16-May-2005, 12:45 AM
what are your criteria for the perfect job?

- halal
- pleases Allaah
- is the best position for a person to be in to serve the Ummaah, in other words, what one can do best for the Muslims.

that to me is perfection, feel free to add to that list

sydlaw
16-May-2005, 12:52 AM
assalamu alaykum.

i guess you might also consider what area you think we are most in need of. for instance, too many muslims are seen doing IT, engineering and medicine. not enough doing accounting, law, social sciences (history, literature etc), social work and media/journalism.

ma salama

Najah
16-May-2005, 12:53 AM
forbidden fruit what dijma said above is so important. if you want to do further study don't go off and do any course cause u will end up regretting it just like me, I just got into a course I was offered cause it was the thing to do, now im stuck with a degree that i never ended up working in, but I guess looked good on my resume. You also have to be the working type, after working for 5 years, I am over it to be honest, I can't wait to stop working, its a dream of mine lol

Nabiha
16-May-2005, 02:29 AM
Sis forbidden_fruit, have you considered the Travel trade industry (travel agency, airline reservations, wholesale travel)? The really good thing about this industry is that it's fairly female dominated! Even at college, there were only about 2 males in a class of about 15!

What's even better about this industry, is that once you have 1-2 years experience, you can do temp work. So you don't have to make long term committments.

I got a job with a really good travel company without comprimising the way I dress. I just wear a long skirt with a loose jacket. And a scarf of course :)

Najah
16-May-2005, 02:45 AM
I know this is completley off the topic but I gotta say, all this time Nabz I thought u were male, lol

aussiemu
16-May-2005, 03:02 AM
assalamu alaikum

I don't think the job situation is really that terrible for hijabis (I could be wrong). There will always be some people who won't hire you based on your appearance, but think about it would you really want to be working for people like that? Can you imagine how they would react if you were to ask for time off prayer etc? Basically you are better off working elsewhere. There are always going to be people who don't hire based on various things, whether its religion, your age, your sex, whether you are fat or skinny etc. Discrimination exists generally.

There are alot of places that will hire people who wear hijab. I got hired once at Optus a few years ago whilst wearing hijab. I know Telstra hires alot of Hijabis as well. However, because some people may want a better environment and for e.g. if you want absolutely no contact with men it may be hard to get a job then because Australia is not a segregated environment. There are certain areas though that are dominated by females so you way want to look at that.

Also look at courses that are useful for you in the long term. Alot of females tend to stop working after marriage and having kids so the likelihood of working further is usually not much. Some areas if you aren't constantly updating your skills and you leave the workforce for a while, it may be very hard to get a job when you return.

may Allah help you to find halal rizq. ameen.

wassalamu alaikum

suz
16-May-2005, 03:52 AM
what subjects are u taking in year 12? And which ones do you find interesting

The Commodore
16-May-2005, 03:59 AM
How about getting married and being a mother?
Thats the best job.
Or am I being too old fashioned?

umm_mohammed
16-May-2005, 08:37 AM
How about getting married and being a mother?
Thats the best job.
Or am I being too old fashioned?

lol great minds think alike!

To the sis asking the question, I completed a Bachelor of Science, majored in Psychology and Social Research Methods (Statistics). I think that when you do a combination of science and arts subjects that it opens more doors for you. Just my opinion. Then again, I got married and never put my degree to use :p Anyway, I really don't think that many people in their mid to late teens know what they want to do. Within a few years I went from wanting to be a vet, to a strapper (stable hand), to working in the hospitality industry. After a couple of years of working with difficult customers, I decided that psychology was the way to go :p By then I was 21.

UmmNRZ
16-May-2005, 10:50 AM
This is my personal opinion -
I feel that for a woman the first option she should consider is whether she could stay at home so as to avoid mixing with non-mahram men. If she has the choice to get married and if her husband is in a position to support her without requiring any financial support from her she should opt for staying home. This avoids a lot of fitnah and also gives the woman time to attend to other household duties and bring up pious children.
But on the other hand I also strongly feel that a woman has the right to education and should be allowed to acquire as much knowledge as she desires. But when it comes to taking up a job in a mixed environment...

http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=1200&dgn=4

UmmNRZ
16-May-2005, 12:42 PM
How about getting married and being a mother?
Thats the best job.
Or am I being too old fashioned?

Sure is! I agree with you 100%... :)

Of all the rights of women, the greatest is to be a mother.
By and large, mothers and housewives are the only workers who do not have regular time off. They are the great vacationless class.

umm_mohammed
16-May-2005, 12:52 PM
By and large, mothers and housewives are the only workers who do not have regular time off. They are the great vacationless class.

Don't scare her! :p

Nabiha
16-May-2005, 01:15 PM
I know this is completley off the topic but I gotta say, all this time Nabz I thought u were male, lol

lol, you're not the first to think that sis! dunno it's been my nick name for as long as i can remember. When I listen to lectures on Paltalk they usually say 'akhi' and I have to correct them

UmmRashid
16-May-2005, 01:23 PM
Assalamu Alaikum,

Also consider doing studies that may help you in future, phsychology can help you with dawah and future children, child care can help with future children, social work can help with assisting the community (particularly if you work in the field), so you may want to consider other benefits, particularly if you dont plan on working after marriage and/or kids.

Also i have to agree with Najah, hijab does not totally limit your ability to work in certain areas, although it may make it a bit more difficult. I worked as an employment consultant for years in long hijab and full abaya, sadly the only people who expressed their disapproval were muslim colleagues.

reem
16-May-2005, 03:22 PM
I think if english is something your good at then work in the media is a good idea, not too many muslim journalists out there, as i think someone mentioned erlier, which is deffinately not a good thing.

and its a career that you could use to help muslims living in australia by reporting the right facts and its something as a muslimah you can do from home.

im doing a media course at uni. and the class is mainly females as well so mixing isnt too much of a problem.

you also get the opportunity to learn how the media actually gets its stories which is pretty interesting actually.

suz
16-May-2005, 05:14 PM
why not go for Prime Minister of Australia?

UmmNRZ
16-May-2005, 06:55 PM
why not go for Prime Minister of Australia? :eek:

LoOoOoOL :D

I think she's better off being unemployed then! :rolleyes:

Tay_
16-May-2005, 06:59 PM
I think you should look at what the Muslim community needs and to get your qualifications in that particular field. So don't go for something which we already have plenty of...ie engineers, doctors, lawyers (liars ;) )

forbidden_fruit
16-May-2005, 07:17 PM
SubhanAllah, I didnt think that I would get soo many remarkable replies! For everyone who did, Jazakum Allahu Khair. MashaAllah you have all giving me a bunch of excellent ideas. I havn't tried out the workforce yet (only work experience). I guess not all people really descriminate the hijab alhamdulilah.

I'm taking English, Specialist Maths, Physics, Biology, Health&HD & Maths-Methods. I know it looks like a really long list but I dont want to regret not taking any subjects!

Thanks again and I'm still open 2 suggestions!

wassalamu alaykum

UmmNRZ
16-May-2005, 07:35 PM
omg btw im taking english, speacialist maths, physics, biology, health, methods,
i no its a really long list but i dont want to regret not taking any subjects!
salamu alaykum

you sound like one heck of a brainy kid mashaallah! :) :p

subhan'Allah
16-May-2005, 07:46 PM
with those subjects sis you have many options to think about ; medicine (gynocolgy), nursing, speech pathology, physiotherapy, denistry, psychology, biomedical science (in research), architecture, teaching depending on what u want to do, dont you have something similar to a vtac? where you can look at courses and read their outline. Personally, I think that even if you have a degree that you did not use, that it will help to when you educate your children with homework, knowledge, and so forth.

modest_muslima
16-May-2005, 08:26 PM
How about getting married and being a mother?
Thats the best job.
Or am I being too old fashioned?
I was too scared to say it myself. There's nothing wrong with an education, but you may never put it to use and you need to cope with the mixed environment at uni. Even if you try to distance yourself from males at uni they will always do something stupid. I remember once a guy half jumped on me acting like i was his buddy or something - and NO I never even spoke to him.
I'm not saying don't get an education, and don't think about a career, but realisticaly.... I don't know what else to say!

Najah
16-May-2005, 08:47 PM
How about getting married and being a mother?
Thats the best job.
Or am I being too old fashioned?

Couldn't think of anything else better to be honest. But u might have to work till your married unless u get married straight after high school, or have a father/guardian that can support u

Tay_
16-May-2005, 08:51 PM
I was too scared to say it myself. There's nothing wrong with an education, but you may never put it to use and you need to cope with the mixed environment at uni. Even if you try to distance yourself from males at uni they will always do something stupid. I remember once a guy half jumped on me acting like i was his buddy or something - and NO I never even spoke to him.
I'm not saying don't get an education, and don't think about a career, but realisticaly.... I don't know what else to say!

Many others have gone to uni before you and did so successfully, so inshallah it shouldnt be a problem. Sometimes people create problems for themselves and seek to put obstacles in their way, rather than having a positive timeframe (I'm not saying that you are doing this) and looking at the overall benefit which is getting an education to assist the Muslim community.

amatul_rahmaan
16-May-2005, 08:51 PM
in regard of a job which is halal %100, i find that islamic schools and islamic childcare and non islamic childcare but most children are muslims are the best places to work with no worry about anything.

modest_muslima
17-May-2005, 11:54 AM
Many others have gone to uni before you and did so successfully, so inshallah it shouldnt be a problem. Sometimes people create problems for themselves and seek to put obstacles in their way, rather than having a positive timeframe (I'm not saying that you are doing this) and looking at the overall benefit which is getting an education to assist the Muslim community.
I think there is a serious problem when sisters are running the streets at all hours without a purpose. If you are getting an education to benefit the ummah then this is better.
But how many are running around just so they can be out of the house? Working haram jobs and mixing? When a sister finishes school she should not have to work (unless her family situation is so bad that she absolutely has to) Working is the responsibility of your mahram. It is his duty to put a roof over your head, not yours. It is not a sister's responsibility to pay off a mortgage!
I don't think we should glamourise it by saying it's good dawah to be out of the house. There is nothing preventing a sister from starting a business, with her husband or within the confines of her home. These days we have distance education. If you have to go to uni why travel for hours each day on public transport?
And i'm not talking about all the errands we have to run as wives and mothers. I'm sure this will spark a fire in some people, but let's get realistic, we are Muslims Alhamdulillah.

suz
17-May-2005, 12:43 PM
Yes Alhamdullah we are muslims, but that does not mean if we are females that we have to be stuck at home between four walls and trying our best not to leave the house. There is nothing wrong with going out to uni to get an education or going out to get a job, even if your family doesnt need the money!!!!

Tay_
17-May-2005, 06:49 PM
I think there is a serious problem when sisters are running the streets at all hours without a purpose. If you are getting an education to benefit the ummah then this is better.
I don't think we should glamourise it by saying it's good dawah to be out of the house. There is nothing preventing a sister from starting a business, with her husband or within the confines of her home. These days we have distance education

I didn't say anything about sisters "running the streets at all hours without a purpose" at all. My focus was purely on those who are wanting to seek an education. Ideally for alot of people to run one's own business would be good. However you need to get qualifications for that, learning various legal subjects etc. Whether this is done by correspondence or otherwise that is upto the individual. Having said that being in a uni environment opens up the path for dawah, and if a person is able to educate someone and by the will of Allah swt that someone becomes Muslim, then for their entire lifetime they get the rewards that the person who became Muslim accrue's themselves... Pretty handy I must say ;) Just because a person is a Muslim, doesn't mean they cannot goto uni....

amatul_rahmaan
17-May-2005, 08:03 PM
well, i quite agree with modest_muslima in every word she said it although i'm not the best one who apply and i have my own reason for that but if i have the chance to stay home then i will be happy to do it.

now why do i agree about it?? here is my answer.

PS: the poeple who will say that life have change and we can't apply things as it used to be before, better if they didn't bother themself by my post because it will be just a waste of time for them.

"And stay in your houses. Bedizen not yourselves with the bedizenment of the Time of Ignorance. Be regular in prayer, and pay the poor-due, and obey Allah and His messenger. Allah's wish is but to remove uncleanness far from you, O Folk of the Household, and cleanse you with a thorough cleansing." Al Ahzab verse 33

yes this verse talks about the prophet wives but also it doesn't say that it only apply to them.

"And when you ask (his wives) for anything you want, ask them from behind a screen, that is purer for your hearts and for their hearts” al-Ahzaab 53

if when asking you about something it have to be from behind a screen then how should it be in other situations??

Al-Qurtubi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: This verse indicates that Allaah has given permission to ask of them from behind a screen in the case of necessity, or when consulting them about some matter. This meaning includes all women, because the basic principle of sharee’ah is that the whole of a woman is ‘awrah.

women works outside the home?
http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=12465&dgn=4&ln=eng

so i guess that link says what's enough about women going to work for unnecessary reason.

also wasn't the prophet the women who said don't forbade women from going to masjid but thier prayer at home is better than praying in the masjid, also what i heard lately from a shiekh is that this is just half of a hadith and the other half says "at night" so in total it's "don't forbade your women from praying in the masjid at night" which means Isha and Fajr prayer only.

also the women in the past used to wait untill the night to go to where they have toilet.

so isn't all of this enough to say that women should stay home and don't go out for unnecessary reason?? of course that doesn't mean that men lock in her in the house without taking her out to the fresh air every now and then.

SuBMiSSioN
17-May-2005, 08:28 PM
There is nothing wrong with going out to uni to get an education or going out to get a job, even if your family doesnt need the money!!!!

Besides the fact that going to uni and attending a mixed environment, some shukha would consider this to be haraam. If you have no real need for it, don't make excuses for what you are trying to do (this is a general statement btw, nothing aimed directly at you, or anyone else).


Having said that being in a uni environment opens up the path for dawah, and if a person is able to educate someone and by the will of Allah swt that someone becomes Muslim, then for their entire lifetime they get the rewards that the person who became Muslim accrue's themselves... Pretty handy I must say

I must say though, the sins one may accumilate through going to uni, aren't so handy. Let's look at things from all perspectives, good and bad, not just the good, and not just the bad. If a sister is going to go to uni, and not really apply her qualification to help out the ummah, would you really encourage her to go to uni and study? Or would you encourage her to be doing something else which could benefit her heaps more..

dijma
17-May-2005, 08:31 PM
there is a shortage of sisters in concreting, bricklaying and plubming. anyone interested

im trying to make a point in my usual sarcastic way

amatul_rahmaan
17-May-2005, 08:52 PM
loooooooooool@dijma

yea true, why doesn't women go for jobs like that as much as they go for other jobs.

hmmm interesting, why don't some poeple make a protest for this saying that poeple are not treating women and men equally.

suz
17-May-2005, 11:35 PM
Going to uni could be considered haram?
You can be staying home behind closed doors and be committing haram. If your intention is to go to uni to get an education than there is nothing haram about that, you dont necessarly have to be committing haram if you are MIXING with people of the opposite sex.

subhan'Allah
17-May-2005, 11:43 PM
I agree with sis suz , if your intention is to get an education to benefit oneself, the ummah and making dawah as considered before then how good is that?

In a mixing enviornment you still remain by islamic ways , lowering gaze, joining islamic society, representing Islam to non-muslims howelse will non-muslims know that muslims are not terrorists.

Going on to work in an islamic industry, school, business will come after requiring qualification. If you want to become a house wife, mother after that then also why not. There is no excuse though to not get an education, there is long distance education as well. "Iqra" was for both men and women.

Tay_
17-May-2005, 11:48 PM
from sunnipath.com

Can I study at university, as a Muslim woman? Can I be involved in political activism? How do I do da`wah?

Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

Sr. _______, I pray this finds you in the best of health and spirits.

Regarding:

I contemplate whether it's really okay for me, being that I'm a woman, to go out and get a full education in what many people call a "secular" route to attaining an education, since it's through a co-ed facility. So is that true or is it okay for me to attend a co-ed school?

It is permitted for you to attend a co-ed school as long as you are able to avoid the unlawful yourself, and are committed to strive to do so.

The same applied to your second Question:

would that be okay, for me to work in the public eye for the best interests of my fellow Muslims living here in the West since much accommodations and changes are needed? I'm in full Islamic dress - hijab, abaiyya and all, alhamdulilah - does that make a difference?

It is permitted for you to be involved in public and political activism, as long as you are able to fulfill your Islamic duties, and it does not compromise them.

As for dress, top Muslim scholars (such as Shaykh Nuh Keller and Ustadha Hedaya Hartford) say that those Muslim women who are in situations should dress in a modest manner (hijab, loose modest clothing, etc) that does not attract undue attention and is considered ‘smart’.

About:

what do you suggest when it comes to giving daw`ah to others about Islam? How should we go about bringing it up? What if one's iman isn't exactly "stable"?

The first person you have to call to Allah and the way of His Beloved Messenger (peace and blessings be upon him) is you yourself. The way to do this is to commit yourself to travelling the path of the hereafter by deciding that you are serious about taking the means to draw closer to Allah by doing that which He has called upon us to do and loves, and do avoid the opposite. This is the spiritual path. A traditional, authentic presentation of this may be found at www.suhba.org and in the writings by Shaykh Abdul Hakim Murad, Shaykh Nuh Keller and others at www.masud.co.uk

Calling others to Allah is firstly through one’s actions and state: if you are a person of excellence in your behavior, character, dealings, manners, personality, and attitude, which is attained by striving to follow the Best of Creation, our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), then people will be positively affected by you and your words will have affect. Otherwise, it will be a case of, “I can’t hear you because your actions are drowning out your words.”

If you have any follow up questions, do not hesitate to ask.

And Allah alone gives success.

Wassalam,
Faraz Rabbani

Najah
17-May-2005, 11:49 PM
there is a shortage of sisters in concreting, bricklaying and plubming. anyone interested

im trying to make a point in my usual sarcastic way

today I was called sexist by a coworker because I said that I believe men and women have specific roles that they are only suited to and that men and women shouldn't be doing everything that each other are doing.

sydlaw
18-May-2005, 01:40 AM
assalamu alaykum.

i wish i knew how one could possibly avoid mixing with the opposite sex in australia. whether you are mail or female, mixing is inevitable.

ma salama

suz
18-May-2005, 02:14 AM
sydlaw you could avoid it if you stayed indoors 24/7 and never left the house. But I don't believe that this is what our religion asks of us. I don't think Allah has ordered us to stay indoors and not go out and see people or work or get an education. Like i stated before, if you act in an Islamic manner there is no haram to go past your letterbox

umm_mohammed
20-May-2005, 09:13 AM
Assalamu alaikum

I don't want to be accused of being sexist, backward or whatever. I'm all for women getting an education BUT sisters, ask yourself. You want to go to Uni for an x number of years. By the time you graduate you'll be ready for marriage, right? So you then get married, and never use your degree. Who will pay your HECS fees for you? Think about it! I recently had a talk with my husband about this because I don't work and he can't afford to pay off my HECS fees and we really want to go to Hajj while we're young. Insha'Allah Allah will make it easy for us.

By the way, I still don't understand why the HECS have to be paid because you sign a paper stating that you will only pay it if you earn a certain amount. Does my question make sense?

modest_muslima
20-May-2005, 10:53 AM
sydlaw you could avoid it if you stayed indoors 24/7 and never left the house. But I don't believe that this is what our religion asks of us. I don't think Allah has ordered us to stay indoors and not go out and see people or work or get an education. Like i stated before, if you act in an Islamic manner there is no haram to go past your letterbox

Sis i think you've missed the point. Nobody has said not to leave the house. I think we just have to use common sense and good judgement. If we want to breed mental illness then yes we should lock ourselves indoors. But there are limits as to what we can do.

As mothers and wives we have the best jobs in the world - AND the highest status in Islam!

Why do we want to degrade our status like that of 'modern' women to run around whilst juggling the kids and a full time job? Do we have children to put them in the care of another female so we can earn money for material posessions? As Muslims this should not concern us.

There is no doubt that study is important. We are the ones who teach our children. But if study puts you in compromising situations where you must mix and there is much fitnah then you need to look at other options.


By the way, I still don't understand why the HECS have to be paid because you sign a paper stating that you will only pay it if you earn a certain amount. Does my question make sense?
How does this work sis? I only thought if u were earning around 30K you have to pay it back. If this is the case then i'm up for ALOT of money!

umm_mohammed
20-May-2005, 11:00 AM
How does this work sis? I only thought if u were earning around 30K you have to pay it back. If this is the case then i'm up for ALOT of money!

Assalamu alaikum

I have no idea sis! I'm pretty sure that I've heard people say that we have to pay the HECS fees even if we don't work as it is a debt. Allahu alem! Insha'Allah someone can shed some light on this?

modest_muslima
20-May-2005, 11:25 AM
Assalamu alaikum

I have no idea sis! I'm pretty sure that I've heard people say that we have to pay the HECS fees even if we don't work as it is a debt. Allahu alem! Insha'Allah someone can shed some light on this?
I wasn't thinking about it that way! I thought u meant the government makes us pay it! :) But yes Islamically we have to pay it off. That's definetely some food for thought!

Tay_
21-May-2005, 08:55 AM
Sis i think you've missed the point. Nobody has said not to leave the house. I think we just have to use common sense and good judgement

Exactly, no reason not to goto uni ;)


Why do we want to degrade our status like that of 'modern' women to run around whilst juggling the kids and a full time job?

That is a bit harsh, especially to those good sisters who do so. Sometimes the financial situation of a family may require both husband and wife to work

Peace
21-May-2005, 09:01 AM
Poor forbidden fruit i think she's a bit confused now!! should she go to UNI or shouldnt she go!!!

And all she wanted to know was what career she should take, one that ultimately will not compromise her religion and yet one that she can like!!!

To be or not to be, that is the question!!

amatul_rahmaan
21-May-2005, 09:05 AM
ok, here's a question and i'm hoping to get a reply from islamic point of view and not personal point of view.

doesn't the husband islamicly is the one who should support the family financially in everything and the wife shouldn't do anything except for trying to live with whatever the husband get and use it in a benefitial way??

i'm repeating that i don't want personal opinion so please don't fire back at me.

amatul_rahmaan
21-May-2005, 09:06 AM
Poor forbidden fruit i think she's a bit confused now!! should she go to UNI or shouldnt she go!!!

And all she wanted to know was what career she should take, one that ultimately will not compromise her religion and yet one that she can like!!!

To be or not to be, that is the question!!
as i said before, the three field that no one can disagree about islamicly are medicine, education and trading. but first two are better than third

Tay_
21-May-2005, 09:20 AM
doesn't the husband islamicly is the one who should support the family financially in everything and the wife shouldn't do anything except for trying to live with whatever the husband get and use it in a benefitial way??

Stipulations in a Marriage Contract Concerning Financial Support and Maintenance

from sunnipath.com

Financial support and maintenance (nafaqah) is the exclusive responsibility of the husband and not the wife. Allah Most High says:

“Let the man of means spend according to his means, and the man whose resources are restricted, let him spend according to what Allah has given him.” (Surah al-Talaq, V.7)

This financial support (nafaqah) is binding upon the husband throughout the marriage if the wife gives herself to him or offers to. (al-Mawsili, al-Ikhtiyar, 4/229).

Thus, it is your husband’s responsibility to provide you with financial support and maintain you according to his means. He must provide you with adequate shelter, food, clothes and pay all the normal bills, for the responsibility of maintenance rests entirely on the shoulder of the husband

However, in accordance with the Qur’anic verse mentioned above, the jurists (fuqaha) mention that in providing this Nafaqah, the financial position of both the husband and wife will be considered.

The great Hanafi jurist (faqih), Allama Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) states quoting from al-Bahr:

“The (Hanafi) scholars have agreed on the fact that if both the husband and wife are rich, then the wife will receive the nafaqah of rich people. If they both are poor, she will receive that of the poor. If the husband is poor and the wife is from a rich family or vice versa…then according to the chosen opinion (mufta bihi) in the school, the wife will receive maintenance that is of an average quality.” (Radd al-Muhtar ala al-Durr, 3/574-575)

Hope
21-May-2005, 10:24 AM
salam

just my share of input.

i strongly advise all sisters to gain an education of some sort. may it be in a islamic college, uni or tafe. it is important that the female is educated, this sets a very good example to her future children, help benefit the community and it is also her protection in the event something goes wrong down the track.

also, i strongly advise the sisters to seek marriage as early as possible. we have heard many hadith upon this issue and there is no harm in having a partner while your in your late teens/early tweenies.

being married and studying could be of extremely great advantage to the sister. i am not in any way saying that parents dont worry and protect their children, but when there is so many responsibilites and commitments coming their way, it is hard for them to wait around uni when ur tut finishes at 9:00pm

so in that sense, the husband would be considerate (inshallah ;)) and help you out, always bug you on your phone making sure your alright, make you dinner, help you in your studies, take you on holidays...

just dont have kids while your in uni :p unless you really love challenges :o and chaos :(

wasalam

amatul_rahmaan
21-May-2005, 03:54 PM
so from that it means that she shouldn't worry about the family financial situation because it's not her responsibility and she should accept whatever situation she's in.

in other words as hope said she need to get education for the sake of having knowledge and nothing else.

so in other words, all she need to worry about is knowing the education careers which is %100 halal and nothing else.

forbidden_fruit
21-May-2005, 05:55 PM
I think something that could really benefit the Islamic Ummah is to become a teacher and educate our younger brothers and sisters to become good muslims InshaAllah.

I heard that alot of Islamic schools are in need of muslim teachers, wouldnt it be great if teachers walked into a calssroom and said assalamu alykum instead of goodmorning or good afternoon...InshaAllah!

amatul_rahmaan
21-May-2005, 06:01 PM
also it would be good to have practicing muslim teachers so student will lesson to you and learn. i was amazed from one of the school where they made hijab compulsory for teachers and then the moment the teacher get out of the school, she take it off and students know that. also they make non muslim teacher to wear it as well.

but then it will affect the studetn because they will do the same. so yes islamic schools needs as much practicing muslim teacher as possible in all field