giving up the veil

[Imaan81]

AA

Sis, unfortunately i cannot give you advice regarding niqab as i personally dont wear it myself. So i cannot fully understand what you are feeling and what you are going through.

However, my only advice to you sis is that when you do an act of worship you need to do it solely for the sake and pleasure of Allah swt in order to avoid falling into shirk. The muslim womans dress code is an act of worship. Therefore, when we do an act of worhip its important that we are consistant with it i.e. we do it on a regular basis.
So basically what im trying to say is, is that its not recommended to take the niqab off, than wear it, then take it off etc. You will need to be serious with yourself and take into account all your feelings etc and make a choice on whether you want to continue to wear it or not.

Just remember that Islam is easy so we shouldnt make it difficult on ourselves.

Allahu alem

[your sister]

jazakALLAH kher imaan..... and although u dont wear niqab ur advice was most helpful may ALLAH reward u ameen.

[Imaan81]

Wa iyyakum

[Abu Zaid_04]

Assalam wa Alaikum,

Sister I admire that you came out to seek advice and help on what you have chosen to do. As you have mentioned it was a decision that really put a lot of pressure on you. I have a few points:

- Allah blessed you to wear the niqaab, so because you done it for Allah's cause then surely Allah would of raised your grade and would of rewarded you everytime you put it on. Now you took it off, what ever the reason is, you now lost all the reward you used to get from putting it on.

- Know now a lot of fitnah can be caused by you taking it off. People before never saw your face so now for the first time people will start to see it. This will affect Muslim brothers because these days both brothers and sisters struggle to keep their gaze down. Im not much better then anyone but Alhamdulillah Allah has made my vision weak so to avoid seeing fitnah I only wear my glassess when it is necessary.

- I feel no body has mentioned this, Just ask your self, are you completely satisfied now? Allah gave you a chance to raise in rank with a test, know that Allah only tests his slaves with what they can handle. Know that Allah knows you can pass this test by leaving your niqaab on.

- Safety reason is no excuse for any muslim to stop doing anything, Do we think that we will just get in to Jannah with out any struggle. What does Allah say in the start of surat the Spider. You said that someone said that they will kill you. Sis look on how the Sahaba used to be punished by Quraish, even the people before and after the time of the prophet. We have forgotten what being a Muslim is. Dont think life in Australia will continue like this, a Muslims life is a struggle.

I know sister Im being very harsh on you but you really broke my heart because may be from this action you would of lost your position with the Prophet Mohamed PBUH in Janat Al Firdaws. So ask your self sister, what level of Janah are you striving for? If you just want to get in, will what you are doing give you a chance for that? The lowest level of Janah is very expensive and without the mercy of Allah nobody could get into it. Please sister reconsider, wallahi, any sister with niqab especially in the west will give any brother honour no matter how he is dressed or how good he is when she walks in the street. I hope I have given you something to think about.

Please dont take it the wrong way I know how hard it is, it is only for a useless 60-70 years in this life then you will inshallah enjoy real pleasure in Jannah. Know that if you were killed for wearing the niqab you will be a martyr you know the reward of a martyr. I advice you sister to increase in the rememberance of ALlah to increase your iman, to put full trust in ALlah and surely ALlah will take care of your affairs.

Allah knows best.

[Imaan81]

Assalamu alaikum wr wb

Just a few points i wanted to comment on about what u said Abu Zaid_04. Im not trying to offend so please dont take my questions/comments in the wrong way. I am only trying to increase in my knowledge inshAllah.

You mentioned that Allah swt will take back all the rewards the sister made during the time she was wearing the niqab just because now she took it off. How is that so? I have never heard this before. Could you please explain further or give reference to this inshAllah? Please keep in mind that the sis is STILL dressing to the islamic womens dress code of hijab (i.e. scarf and appropriate clothing) alhumdullillah. Allah swt will still reward her for this inshAllah?

I dont believe that her taking the niqab off will cause fitnah amongst the 'pious' brothers. First of all, Allah swt commands us to lower our gaze. That is the first step in hijab. And then Allah swt goes into the dress code. What i do believe will cause fitnah is someone who puts it on, then takes it off, then on, then off etc etc. This will cause confusion to the people because it sends the wrong message that niqab can be worn whenever we feel like it.

As for the brothers, im 100% sure that what they see in public of non-muslim women causes them more fitnah then seeing the face of a muslimah who is dressed IN CORRECT HIJAB as explained in the Quran.

Before we try to look outwardly as pious muslims we must first work inwardly beginning with our heart. As the hadith nerrated by Abu Abdillah Ab Nu'man says: The prophet saw said: In the body there is a morsel of flesh, when it is sound, the whole body is sound, and when it is deseased the whole body is deseased and indeed this is the HEART.

So basically, niqab is not the beginning and end all of getting into jennah. We have to perfect our intentions, our 5 pillars, our eman, our ihsan etc. When our heart is clean then all our actions will be clean because our tongue and our limbs are sabordinate to our heart.

[Abu Zaid_04]

Wa Alaikum assalam,

Jazakilallahu khairan sis, if I took offence then Im Arrogant and we know how much Allah hates arrogance. We are all brothers and sisters in Islam and we should Criticise in a good way so that we may lead each other to the right path.

Im sorry sister I dont think you understood or you picked up the words correctly it was "you now lost all the reward you used to get from putting it on", I didnt mean that Allah will take all the reward back, I meant that she doesnt have the Opportunity to get rewarded from wearing the niqab. It doesnt mean that she will not get rewarded for wearing the hijab, but the reward for the niqab is more because it is something extra. Its like if you prayed night prayer and I didnt that means I miss out on the reward of night prayer which you are gaining.

I speak for my self yes, the fitnah out there is bad but you ask any brother it is even worse when he sees a sister who dressed Islamicly because a good brother thats what he desires he knows the naked women are filth. When a sister has niqab then what can someone think about her? I give you one of the reasons that the scholars who see niqab fard say, that a man will be attracted more to the face then the feet, if you told a brother his bride has nice feet he wont really care and that has to be covered but if you told him she has a beautiful face then he will accept that.

I didnt mean that by her wearing the niqab this will garuntee her jannah, nobody in the world can garuntee jannah even the prophet PBUH unless a wahy came to him. You are correct about that we should not worry what our outside looks like but especially these days most of the time the outside shows what the inside has. It is not fashion to have a beard, wear niqab, it all takes risks with out faith nobody will take that risk. I believe the more pious you look these days that more you will be hated so why not look different because you are not showing off. Nobody these days looks at a niqaby sister and say I wish I can be like her they say what a crazy women. May ALlah protect us from fitnah

[Lena]

I really don't think anyone should be saying that the sister has lost the rewards she gained for taking off the niqaab. Thats actually not something WE can judge, Its for Allah Subhan Wa Taa'laa to judge.

And Islam is easy, Not a struggle. Subhan'Allah Allah Subhan Wa Taa'laa has made islam so simple for everyone to follow.

Maybe we shouldn't point the finger at the sister for making this descison, instead we should be supporting her. Before we judge others, maybe we should be judging ourselves. Wallahu 3alam.

[Imaan81]

Jazak Allah sis/bro, that cleared it all up
May Allah swt reward you inshAllah for taking the time to respond

[Abu Zaid_04]

Just to add something, Allah says: " Fear ALlah as much as you can". We are ordered to leave everything that is harram and take from the hallal what we are capable off. I wasnt judging the sister she is probably a million times better then me, how can I sit there and watch my sister losing something extra she used to do for ALlah and say nothing. I would do this for anyone who used to pray in the mosque then stopped, who shaved his beard etc.

There is a difference between judging and advicing, it is a sin for someone who knows the truth to not say it even if he doesnt apply it to him self because then he will get the sin for not doing it and not saying to someone to do it.

Allah knows best

[Abu Zaid_04]

To sum it all up, we should try to open as much doors to good as possible but also relise our capability, the prophet says: "A little amount done consistantly is better then a big amount done once" meaning of the hadeeth.

Now sister that you gave that up and you wont change your mind find something that will replace that door of khair. You know it is defenitly the shaitan because he isnt going to tell you to take the hijab off while you wear the niqab, so he tackles that first. Then he might say wear tighter close he will work bit by bit. Please watch out you know the shaitan is our enemy so take him as our enemy. May Allah reward you and keep you steadfast. Amin

Allah knows best.

[SuBMiSSioN]

- Safety reason is no excuse for any muslim to stop doing anything,

Actually that is not true..

When someone fears for their life, they have an excuse. One of the 5 universal things that the religion preserves is life. If there is a real fear, and the person threatening you can carry through with that threat, then that is good enough reason to fear for your life.. and good enough reason to remove the niqab if necessary.

What would you rather? Your wife/mother/sister leaving the niqab on, and at the same time fearing her life; or would you rather her take it off and know that she has less chance of being threatened??

Let's be realistic here. Yes, the sahabah went through a lot more trials than we did. But in saying that, one should not put themselves into the spotlight..one should not ask for trouble so to speak (not saying that those in niqab are asking for trouble at all, just making a general point).

It's like saying.. someone who is locked up in jail, being tortured, and being refused hallal food, or even hallal drink. They give that person pork and wine for dinner.. if that person is afraid that they are going to die..then that haram food becomes halal for them. It is better that a person eats from that food instead of refusing it.

[tawheed_wal_bara]

Asalamu 3lakoum

I advise you for the sake of Allah swt that you should not take it off .If you have done your research and found out that its fard upon the woman then follow that decision ,stick to it and be prepared to face any challenges that are facing you .

Make your intentions again that your wearing it for the sake of Allah swt and none other . Know that you inspire many muslims including my self . You do not only remind me of my islam and the beuty of it ,but wallahi you bring me back to reality .I Take one look at a sister who is not dressed in accordance to islam and i look at the one who is covered,one brings fitnah to my eyes the other brings peace to my heart .

I dont believe all jilbabis are perfect , but i do believe most of them are courages ,because they are standing up against the values of those who want to modernise islam and its woman .

It is said the path of jannah is sourrounded by difficulities and hardships and the path of jahanam is surrounded by desires and things that are made to look good . Jannah will not come without a price , it is filled with hills and mountains .You need to climb and struggle and have patience . Do not give up to the shaytan who only wants the worse for you . Verily after every hardship comes ease .

who ever wants to know what Allah swt has prepared for him then let him look at what he has prepared for Allah swt ''saheeh''.

I dont know your situation ,but i do know inshallah ease will come and with patience comes success inshallah this advise will help you in making or changing your decision for the better of yourself .

asalam alakoum

[Abu Zaid_04]

Assalam wa Aliakum,

Submission at the end it all depends on the individuals iman, I think in all my post if put together thats what will be summarised. It is very hard to go into depth when you write because it will be very long. It is un wise for anyone to look at what someone wrote in one aspect, I know it is hard but please try.

If putting your self in the spotlight by pleasing Allah if you mean to leave that and go for something lower I think you are wrong. The example you gave is what is called qias fasq, an example that isnt compatible to this situation. Even with that situation the Scholars say to eat or drink a small amount to let you live. I give you an example say about giving zakah, when scholars talk about someone can give his whole money or not they say if he can be patient then let him do it if he cant then it isnt allowed. Allah will not burden someone with something they can not handle. I said it all depends how high you want to be in Jannah. Another example is if a gun was put to your head and the person said to say your a kafir or he will kill you, would you do it? Agian it depends on how strong the person is, some will say no I wont say it and some will say Yes Im a Kafir, this is both allowed in Islam with examples from the sahaba.

Is it bad for me to want my sister in Islam to inshallah be in the hieghst level of Jannah? I would love that for my self, so I only talk for my self. Again it all depends on the Individual, I want us brothers and sisters to aim high this is the only way we will make a change in our society. I pray that Allah will keep us steadfast and let us see his face in Jannah. Amin.

[Abu Layla]

Allaah does not burden a soul more than it can handle.
Fear Allaah as much as you can.

[Shadower]

Before we start speaking about it is a sin to take off, or you lose hasanat if you take it off, the discussion will first have to cover is it wajjib or mustahab?

Many a prominent scholar say it is wajjib and many say mustahab. Both opinions have very strong proofs. The sister seems to follow those that say it is Mustahab, so saying she is going to lose hasanat for taking it off is not going to help the sister at all.

This is a thorny issue really, and it is difficult to claim Ijma3 on the issue. So leave the sister to whichever opinion it is she follows, as Imaan said, she is still dressed Islamically walhumdulilah. May Allah keep her and us steadfast.

May Allah reward her for the time that she wore it. Allah is Merciful.

[Abu Layla]

No need to make things hard, especially if what she is doing is still halal, and especially since she claims to have a realistic fear of falling into danger.

[Amina]

SubhanAllah...
Wearing a Hijab or a Niqab to my knowledge is Halal. If not, then its between the sister and Allah swt.
No one has the right to judge another sisters or brothers in islam. Yes guide them inshAllah but do not judge.

[your sister]

May ALLAH reward each one of u for trying to sincerly advice me for the sake of ALLAH.......Alhamdulillah most of what was said in this forum to sum it all up basically mirrors everything that was in the back of my head, everything i had already said to myself, calling myself to account.
I pray that i made the right decision for ME after all i will be standing infront of ALLAH on my own with my own record layed out before me.
I hope i can be the best muslim i can be inshALLAH, and die in the best state of iman ameen

[Amina]

Ameen

[Abu Layla]

Ameen