sounds of light concert?

[cheesegirl]

Not that I'm aware of convertgirl.

[مروة]

sorry i havent read any posts regarding music, but how would you influence a person not to listen to music? that's one of the major problems my friends/sister have. i've tried convincing them to stop, but they 'love' it too much. whenever my younger sister is in a bad mood she goes to her room and listens to emo music and i hate that, i really want her to stop listening to it. any advice?

Nessrin, I think you have 2 issues here:

1- A person listening to music
2- The lyrical content of songs.

The lyrics of some songs go far and beyond what is accepted islamically.. I am not referring to things such as zinna/alcohol.. I am referring to things which are contrary to our fundametal beliefs.

I dont know much about emo music and what people say in it.. but try to see what kind of lyrics they have and discuss it with her from that angle insha' Allah and then move onto to the issue of music.

Reminds me of this http://sista2sista.wordpress.com/200...3/enough-said/

[Muwahidah]

they didnt delete it, its post #35

[Muwahidah]

The lyrics she listens to are the worst and are accompanied by heavy metal music. I used to listen to those when I wasn't practicing and they turn you into someone with no soul who hates everything and makes you believe there is no purpose of this life. So I have both those issues.

Alhamdullilah she is still praying and is happy to come along to any lectures I take her to, but it is as though they have a temporary effect on her cos she always goes backwards. I think the main thing is her friends - they are a really bad influence on her. It was like that with me during highschool and alhamdullilah as soon as I left everything changed once I didn't have much contact with them. I need her to fear listening to music, perhaps a really good lecture?

that was a good link too btw, very good point she had

Nessrin, I think you have 2 issues here:

1- A person listening to music
2- The lyrical content of songs.

The lyrics of some songs go far and beyond what is accepted islamically.. I am not referring to things such as zinna/alcohol.. I am referring to things which are contrary to our fundametal beliefs.

I dont know much about emo music and what people say in it.. but try to see what kind of lyrics they have and discuss it with her from that angle insha' Allah and then move onto to the issue of music.

Reminds me of this http://sista2sista.wordpress.com/200...3/enough-said/

[Abu.Kauthar]

I can't find the hadith, but it was in a Belal Assad lecture that I listened to about Jannah when I first became muslim (and was a musician). This hadith really touched my heart and helped me to give up music completely.

He said there is a tree in Jannah that is so big, and it's leaves are so huge, that when the wind blows through it, it makes the most beautiful music that you cannot imagine. So much more beautiful than any music you've ever heard. And this music is saved only for those people who gave up music in the dunya for the sake of Allah. Subhanillah!

all that i could personally find is that this is a poetry which Ibn Al Qiyyim reported that Ibn Abbas said that Allah sends a wind that moves the leaves causing a Music.

is it authentic, i don't know and couldn't find anything.

but there is an authentic Hadith in Musnad Imam Ahmed that states that the Hoor Al 'Eyn sing for the people of heaven and their singing is something that no one has ever heard before.

as for the wind and the leaves, don't know the authenticity of that.

[SuBMiSSioN]

I don't think encouraging people to listen to nasheeds with music is the lesser of two evils. You're going to be asked 'if I can listen to these nasheeds that have musical instruments in them, whey can't I listen to normal music?'

[Umm Binyameen]

And just remember, its not always just about the lyrics. The music also sways the heart. It can makes us feel all different kinds of emotions. It's the Qur'an that is supposed to do that. You can end up prefering the feeling you get from music over the words of Allah (swt)! That's why music is called the Qur'an of Shaytan.

[sakirt09]

Yeh, i went to one of these concerts, it was cool (maybe a bit too cool ) but yeah.

It's for a good cause. Nice environment.

Every should focus on their own sins and shouldn't criticize other brothers and sisters

[Umm Binyameen]

It's not always about criticizing others. We are also supposed to enjoin the good and forbid the evil.

Do you believe that it would be ok to sell alcohol and then use the money to build a masjid? Do you think that would be accepted by Allah (swt)?

[Ninnevah]

i went to the one last year, and i think it was good, especially native deen, they were amazing live!!

and the people i was attending with, just went out to the foyer during the parts they didnt feel comfortable listening to.

but i dont really know any of the people lined up for this year so thats the reason im not going.

[Ninnevah]

Do you believe that it would be ok to sell alcohol and then use the money to build a masjid? Do you think that would be accepted by Allah (swt)?

i dont think its fair to put using "computer generated sounds" and selling alcohol in the same category

edit:
i dont think its fair to put "instrumental music" and selling alcohol in the same category

[Abu.Kauthar]

what if it's put with machine generated alcohol that is made of purely Halal ingredients that is chemically combined and formulated to come up with a drink ???

if it source was the reason behind the prohibition, i doubt you'll find a single alcoholic drink in any bar today, that is prohibited.

it's not the source where the prohibition comes from, but rather the effect.

[Abu.Kauthar]

edit: the Prophet peace be upon Him did put them (musical instruments) in the same category, not just with alcohol, but also Zina and wearing silk.

so yes it's fair sister.

[Ghareeb]

Fatwaa coming soon....

Music and Singing in Light of the Quraan and Sunnah By Bilal Mustafa Al kanadi rahimahullah

This will bring all the doubts in one book, which should clear those misconecptions in sha Allaah

enjoy

[Tay_]

As much as some people will disagree, my post #30 does cover some important aspects. Ultimately in the end, one cannot enforce the scholarly opinion that they personally follow onto someone else who may follow another scholarly opinion where there is a valid difference. We're reminded in the Quran to ask those who know, if we know not.

[Abu.Kauthar]

but brother Tay......

Ibn Abdeen may Allah cover his soul with mercy, whom you quoted is on the opinion that Music is prohibited and he stated from the same book " Hashiyat Ibn Abdeen " volume 5 page 221, that the opinion in the Hanafi Mathhab that musical instruments are all prohibited, and that they declare it a Fisq, and one of the acts which would make a person's liability as a witness drop.

He clearly said by word " singing is prohibited " and as such said Al Sarkhasi one of the top Hanafi scholars at his time.

so what you quoted does not in anyway whatsoever, declare music to be allowed, and doesn't even represent the position of the Imam and the Hanafi Mathhab in regards to the issue discussed here.

[Tay_]

but brother Tay......

Ibn Abdeen may Allah cover his soul with mercy, whom you quoted is on the opinion that Music is prohibited and he stated from the same book " Hashiyat Ibn Abdeen " volume 5 page 221, that the opinion in the Hanafi Mathhab that musical instruments are all prohibited, and that they declare it a Fisq, and one of the acts which would make a person's liability as a witness drop.

He clearly said by word " singing is prohibited " and as such said Al Sarkhasi one of the top Hanafi scholars at his time.

so what you quoted does not in anyway whatsoever, declare music to be allowed, and doesn't even represent the position of the Imam and the Hanafi Mathhab in regards to the issue discussed here.

What was quoted was:

Ibn Abidin explains in his Radd al-Muhtar [6.349, Ilmiyya ed.], one should not condemn to those (like upright Sufis) who have noble intentions in their listening to such songs and are far from vain purposes (lahw), as long as nothing else impermissible is conjoined with the listening

The book that is quoted is Radd al-Muhtar and refers to listening.

Shaykh Faraz said earlier:

Some scholars did, in fact, allow instruments if not used for vain purposes, including in this the use of some Sufis and others of instruments for 'spiritually uplifting' purposes, as long as this was free of other impermissible matters (such as impermissible song content, female singing for non-females, free-mixing at such gatherings, etc.)

There is a difference there between the two

[Abu.Kauthar]

but this doesn't relate in anyway what takes place in the concert here in Melbourne.

Ibn Abdee is talking about one thing and what takes place today and what we see and witness are two different things and they don't have any similarities.

that's if we were to agree in the first place that his opinion is correct and valid in that regards, and that it represents the Hanafi Mathhab.

[Ghareeb]

Funny,

Imam Maalik rahimahullah said, "If one purchased a slave-girl and found her to be a professional singer, he could return her to the original owner for reimbursement on the claim of having found fault in the merchandise."

[sakirt09]

Apologies to Umm Binyameen and others, i didn't read all the others posts so i didn't know there was a debate going on here. I respect all your opinions. I didn't mean to take any sides. Take care y'all!!