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    Ramadan Starts Friday, Saturday
    20/08/2009 08:00:52 PM GMT


    WORLD CAPITALS – Muslims around the world would not be united in starting the holy fasting month of Ramadan. The Indonesian government announced on Thursday, August 20, that Saturday, August 22, will be the beginning of Ramadan.
    In Malaysia, the Keeper of the Rulers' Seal announced over TV1 Thursday night that Ramadan will fall Saturday.

    When is Your Ramadan? The Islamic Religious Council of Singapore (MUIS) announced on its website that the beginning of Ramadan falls on Saturday. The Darul Ifta in Suara Mindanao announced that Ramadan starts in the Philippines on Saturday because the crescent was not visible after sunset Thursday.

    The Islamic Society in China, described as the country’s highest Muslim religious authority, announced Thursday that Ramadan will start Saturday.

    In Egypt, home to Al-Azhar, the highest seat of learning in Sunni Islam, Mufti Ali Gomaa announced in a televised speech that Ramadan will start Saturday.

    Authorities in Saudi Arabia, the birthplace of Islam, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Syria, Jordan, Palestine and Sudan also announced that Ramadan start Saturday.

    Sunni religious authorities in Iraq said the fasting starts Saturday.

    Organizations representing Muslim minorities in France, Belgium, Spain and Switzerland also confirmed Saturday as the start of Ramadan.

    The Islamic Society of North America (ISNA) has announced that Ramadan will start in North America on Saturday according to astronomical calculations.

    Differences

    Some countries, including Iran, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Oman, Morocco and Mauritania, will be sighting the new moon on Friday, August 21.

    Libya said Ramadan starts Friday based on astronomical calculations.

    Shiites in Lebanon and Iraq will start the fasting Friday.

    Turkey had earlier declared that the holy fasting month would fall on Friday based on calculations.

    The majority of Muslims in Kosovo, Macedonia, Romania, Bosnia, Herzegovina, Serbia, Bulgaria, Montenegro, Albania, Slovenia and Russia will follow Turkey.

    Germans of Turkish backgrounds, who make up the majority of the Muslim minority, also follow Turkey.

    The Union of Islamic communities in Italy (UCOII) has decided that fasting will begin Friday according to astronomical calendar.

    The Islamic Cultural Center, which manages the Grand Mosque of Rome, decided to follow Saudi Arabia.

    The European Council for Fatwa and Research (ECFR) said Ramadan starts Friday based on astronomical calculations.

    The first day of Ramadan and moon sighting have always been a controversial issue among Muslim countries, and even scholars seem at odds over the issue.

    While one group of scholars sees that Muslims in other regions and countries are to follow the same moon sighting as long as these countries share one part of the night, another states that Muslims everywhere should abide by the lunar calendar of Saudi Arabia.

    A third, however, disputes both views, arguing that the authority in charge of ascertaining the sighting of the moon in a given country announces the sighting of the new moon, then Muslims in the country should all abide by this.

    This usually causes confusion among Muslims, particularly in the West, on observing the dawn-to-dusk fasting and celebrating the `Eid Al-Fitr, which marks the end of fasting.

    http://islamonline.com/news/articles..._Saturday.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abdraheim View Post
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    Turkey had earlier declared that the holy fasting month would fall on Friday based on calculations.
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    While one group of scholars sees that Muslims in other regions and countries are to follow the same moon sighting as long as these countries share one part of the night, another states that Muslims everywhere should abide by the lunar calendar of Saudi Arabia.

    A third, however, disputes both views, arguing that the authority in charge of ascertaining the sighting of the moon in a given country announces the sighting of the new moon, then Muslims in the country should all abide by this.
    The article seems to be expressing dismay that we don't have unity. And only one of the scholarly opinions actually brings about unity, that of a unified calendar.

    So it seems that's the one we should be aiming for, if indeed we want unity on beginning and ending Ramadan.

    It also happens to be the view with the stronger daleels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by abu rashid View Post
    The article seems to be expressing dismay that we don't have unity. And only one of the scholarly opinions actually brings about unity, that of a unified calendar.

    So it seems that's the one we should be aiming for, if indeed we want unity on beginning and ending Ramadan.

    It also happens to be the view with the stronger daleels.
    The whole process would be a simple one if everyone were to conduct moon sighting on a monthly basis, year in, year out in their respective localities and not just for Ramadan and Eid and to do away with calenders. Its something that the ANCSCC has been doing for years. This is the unity that we should be uniting upon; that of the sunnah.
    Ibn Taymiyya (r) said: The Way of those Shuyukh of Tasawwuff is to call people to Allah's Divine Presence and obedience to the Prophet (Majma'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, Dar ar-Rahmat, Cairo. Vol 11. Pg 497)
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    Quote Originally Posted by abu rashid
    The article seems to be expressing dismay that we don't have unity. And only one of the scholarly opinions actually brings about unity, that of a unified calendar.
    ...
    That is where the problem is...One says the 1st day of the 'month' starts on this day and the other says no the 1st day of this month is tomorrow.

    Najah, somehow I sense 'Arabism' under the cover of Islam in your comment. And I remind you of the hadith relating to 'Arab not being better than a non-Arab and a non-Arab not being better than an Arab'



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    Quote Originally Posted by Tay_ View Post
    The whole process would be a simple one if everyone were to conduct moon sighting on a monthly basis, year in, year out in their respective localities and not just for Ramadan and Eid and to do away with calenders. Its something that the ANCSCC has been doing for years. This is the unity that we should be uniting upon; that of the sunnah.
    You will never have every muslim see the moon. So we need a leader (or his representative) to announce the moonsighting for those who didnt see it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by saif View Post
    You will never have every muslim see the moon. So we need a leader (or his representative) to announce the moonsighting for those who didnt see it.
    Yep, its a fard kifayah. Other than the ANCSCC that im personally involved in, I'm not aware of any body or organisation in Australia that coordinates monthly moon sighting on a national basis, so the system is already in place alhamdulilah; it's a matter of getting behind it.
    Ibn Taymiyya (r) said: The Way of those Shuyukh of Tasawwuff is to call people to Allah's Divine Presence and obedience to the Prophet (Majma'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, Dar ar-Rahmat, Cairo. Vol 11. Pg 497)
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