New mum at just 12 years old

[Alhamdulillah]

Girl, 12, gives birth to baby boy

A GIRL, 12, who fell pregnant to her 15-year-old live-in boyfriend, has given birth to a baby boy.

Earlier this year, the NSW Department of Community Services (DoCS) was forced to apologise when it was revealed the girl's father had warned them his daughter was sleeping with her boyfriend at her mother's house.

Now, the girl's father has told the latest edition of Woman's Day he does not think his daughter is up to the task of being a mother.

"She is only a baby herself and now she's got a baby," he said.

"She has no maternal instincts at all. She never even played with dolls when she was younger. She never played at being a mummy. This breaks my heart."

He said the girl was "petrified" when she went into labour and had to have an emergency caesarean.

Three weeks later, he said she was struggling with the demands of being a mother despite receiving regular counselling and parental training from DoCS.

Kerryn Minister for Community Services Linda Burney in June admitted the girl's case had been overlooked by a "stretched" DoCS.

"We get 300,000 notifications every year and there isn't anybody collating the figures of child pregnancies,'' the minister's spokesperson told the Daily Telegraph.

The girl's father said he was not surprised to learn DoCS was clueless about the extent of the "tragedy'' confronting his family.

"I phoned that helpline over a year ago and I waited for a local Dubbo DoCS intake officer to ring and they never did,'' he said.

When his daughter revealed she was pregnant, her father offered to raise the baby with his new partner.

"I said that I would do everything to help her," he told Women's Day, "And I offered to adopt the baby and bring it up so she could get back to school and get on with her life."

But after consulting with the child's 15-year-old father and seriously considering abortion, the 12-year-old girl made the choice to raise the child herself.

"He said that he wanted to keep the baby, so my daughter decided to continue the pregnancy. Sadly, they aren't together anymore."

"I think she has shown such courage," he told Women's Day. "It was so intimidating for her being surrounded by people telling her to have an abortion."

"It's not the best start in life, but I know the little fella will be given loads of love."

Since 2000, the youngest mother in New South Wales was just 11 and fewer than six 12-year-olds had given birth, the NSW Registry of Births, Deaths and Marriages said.

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If 11 year-olds are pregnant in present-day Australia, I don't see the difficulty with accepting the marriage of 'Aisha radiAllahu 'anha.

[cheesegirl]

In case you didn't realise, no one is happy about this girl being pregnant.

[Abdraheim]

i feel sorry for the baby brought up by kaafirs in a broken home

[Perspective]

i feel sorry for the baby brought up by kaafirs in a broken home

how do you know they are kaafirs?

what if this is a test for them?

and the article states that the father seems to be doing what can to accomodate the child and his daughter.

and the girl i did the right thing by not aborting the baby.

it's a pretty strong word to use in this situation....

[GMan]

[QUOTE=Perspective;381372]how do you know they are kaafirs?QUOTE]

Perhaps he jumped to that conclusion because the father was 15 and not 112?

http://www.aussiemuslims.com/forums/...ad.php?t=33425

[abu rashid]

GMan, Islam permits people (who have attained the age of puberty) to get married, so they may fulfil their natural inclinations in a permissible and correct manner. Because the man is sometimes older than the woman is irrelevant, even though you seem a little hung up on the idea.

I have a friend for instance whose grandmother was 26 when she was married, and his grandfather was only 12 (although back in those times, and in Islamic countries especially, a 12 yo. was usually much more of a man than most 30 yo. in our society today).

In many cases the woman is often older than the man, yet nobody finds that newsworthy, why not? Instead the focus is on those cases where the man is older, in order to project the West's sick fantasies of dirty old men 'hunting' for 'young prey' onto the Muslim society.

[GMan]

Not at all Abu Rashid. I'm sure it's every little girl's dream to be the fourth wife of a wrinkled old man just a few months or years from death.

[abu rashid]

Yeh because that's just such a common occurance, that a young girl becomes the fourth wife of a very old man.

[Alhamdulillah]

Not at all Abu Rashid. I'm sure it's every little girl's dream to be the fourth wife of a wrinkled old man just a few months or years from death.

Yeah, just like it's the dream of all of those young women who choose to live in Hugh Hefner's nice little harem (who happens to be about five times their age).

[Alhamdulillah]

In case you didn't realise, no one is happy about this girl being pregnant.

Well no one's appears to be going crazy over it, either.

[GMan]

all of those young women who choose to live in Hugh Hefner's nice little harem (who happens to be about five times their age).

Their highly questionable taste and judgement notwithstanding, they are not 9, 10 or 12 years old and made the decision to live in that situation of their own free will.

[Alhamdulillah]

The Prophet (peace be upon him) said, "A virgin should not be married till she is asked for her consent; and the matron should not be married till she is asked whether she agrees to marry or not." (Bukhari)

A woman from the offspring of Ja'far was afraid lest her guardian marry her (to somebody) against her will. So she sent for two elderly men from the Ansar, 'AbdurRahman and Mujammi', the two sons of Jariya, and they said to her, "Don't be afraid, for Khansa' bint Khidam was given by her father in marriage against her will, then the Prophet cancelled that marriage." (Bukhari)


It appears, then, that according to your reasoning, the female subject of the above article did not actually get involved in a relationship at God knows what age as a result of her own free will, but was forced into it. 'Ajeeb.

[cheesegirl]

Their highly questionable taste and judgement notwithstanding, they are not 9, 10 or 12 years old and made the decision to live in that situation of their own free will.

You mean like the SEVENTEEN year old girl in the article you posted?

As long as she willingly entered that marriage, I don't see how it is anyone elses business, or how it has anything to do with Islam. They could have easily been non-Muslims getting married under Australian law as well, if she were a year older.

[Umm Binyameen]

I know a girl who is very mature and responsible who fell pregnant (by choice) at 15. She's a better mother, and more grown up than a lot of non-muslim girls. Islam says it's ok for a girl and boy to marry when they have reached puberty (consentual of course), and Allah (swt) created their bodies to be ready for it then as well.

[Girl]

GMan, Islam permits people (who have attained the age of puberty) to get married, so they may fulfil their natural inclinations in a permissible and correct manner. Because the man is sometimes older than the woman is irrelevant, even though you seem a little hung up on the idea.

I have a friend for instance whose grandmother was 26 when she was married, and his grandfather was only 12 (although back in those times, and in Islamic countries especially, a 12 yo. was usually much more of a man than most 30 yo. in our society today).

In many cases the woman is often older than the man, yet nobody finds that newsworthy, why not? Instead the focus is on those cases where the man is older, in order to project the West's sick fantasies of dirty old men 'hunting' for 'young prey' onto the Muslim society.

Just because someone has "natural inclinations", that doesn't make them emotionally or mentally ready for marriage or to get pregnant either for that matter.

[Explorer]

trust me, nobody is ever prepared for marriage.

Its takes work after ur married to keep it going, nothing to do with before.

[abu rashid]

Girl, whilst that might be true of people today and in Australia, facts show that in the past, and even in many other societies in other countries today it is not true. Peoples bodies go through puberty because their Creator has created them to be ready at that time. The emotional/mental thing is very cultural, and I agree in Western society today most people are probably not ready for marriage until well after 18 even!

But that is very specific to Western culture, so when considering the perspective of humanity as a whole, it's not quite as relevant as you might think.

Even just a century or so ago, the age of consent in British realms (including Australia) was 12. In some British realms it was not a set age but simply "when reaching puberty".

So whilst your viewpoint does have some relevance to the situation in Australia today, it's not a universally applicable truth or viewpoint, it's very specific to our place, time and culture, and therefore subject to change.

[Ahmad]

It doesn't make them not emotionally or mentally ready either. If only people realised how quickly boys and girls matured before TV, Internet and Video Games came about.. boys became men and girls became women at such young ages, and they still do in areas where they don't have the aforementioned distractions.

[Girl]

It doesn't make them not emotionally or mentally ready either. If only people realised how quickly boys and girls matured before TV, Internet and Video Games came about.. boys became men and girls became women at such young ages, and they still do in areas where they don't have the aforementioned distractions.

The first part of your argument makes sense, but how do you know that the absence of such inventions directly contributed to immature children? And how can we really know what the emotional and mental states of these people in the past really were? When did we become so insightful?

[Ahmad]

Transcending history and the world, a Tale of Souls and Swords, eternally retold... sorry, got a bit side-tracked there, you mean how do I know the absence contributed to mature children? We can know such things through history and by looking at today's generation of immaturity. We can even just look a couple of generations back to see how different things were, your grandparents can tell you stories. As always, I'm talking in a general sense.