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    Halal Fish and Chips? 
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    Anyone know if this exists?? I only know about Elizabeth St Preston but assume there must be other places around.
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    roxy shoppin center
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    there is an awesome one on londsdale st in dandenong, next to afghan tasty food and fire on londsdale (halal pizza).

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    our family friends got a halal fish and chips shop on Anderson st Yarraville plus there's heaps in Newport and Hoppers crossing
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    What do the others have that makes them haram?
    Al-Hasan al-Basri said of hypocrisy: No one fears it but a believer, and no one feels safe from it but a hypocrite.
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    ^ was just thinking the same thing... ?
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    putting haram meat in their deep fryers? using animal oil in their fryers? (unlikely but possible)

    would these things make it haram?

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    is lord of the flies halal? on flinders st
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    Most fish & chip shops do NOT use vegetable oil, they still use animal oil. As well as frying piggy dim sims in the same animal oil.
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    vegetable oil is cheaper and lasts longer as far as i know so why would they use animal oil?

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    is lord of the flies halal? on flinders st
    lol it's lord of the fries! You're thinking of the movie!

    As far as I know they are halal because most of the products are suitable for vegans, but all is suitable for vegetarians.
    I remember seeing that even the pickles are kosher LOL
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    Taste and the chips are a bit more golden in colour..thats why most chips used to be fried first in animal oil then later fried in veg oil..Macdonalds used to do that till they were caught by the vegetarians and muslim groups in England..but it seems to have been common practice. Some shops use veg oil but add a bit of animal fat for taste....
    I have done that myself with home made french fries, I bought a bit of beef fat from the halal butcher and added it to the veg oil, it did give it a different taste and colour....

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    The other thing is a lot of the ready made chips is halal (unless they peel and cut the potatoes themselves). So even if they fry in vegetable oil, if the chips is not halal then it makes no difference.

    Then as has been said is the cross contamination, some places fry things together with non-halal products.
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    Oil, frying togeather with haraam will make a halal item haraam.
    Those are the two major reasons why we need to be careful.
    And it's very rare for a Fish n' Chip shop (aussie style) to fry everything in different oil.
    But Chicken n' Chip shops generally fry the chips in a seperate oil compared to the chicken. (worked in a chicken n' chip shop when I was small)

    But I only know of Preston & Broady/Sydney Rd- they have two shops. Super Chicken & Fish.
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    there is a bit of haram used in fish n chips, the oil can be animal fat (not necesarily pig fat) and then you have the deep fried sausages in batter and the bacon on the hamburgers (so contamination on the grill) the rest is usually fine to eat. if they use veggie/cannola oil then pretty much everything they fry is halal (unless they sell fried battered sausages).

    Alhamdullilah i was working in fish n chips from the age of 11. My mum used to sell the MOST amazing fish n chips up in Carnegie (near clayton, her and dad have been in fish n chips for almost 27 yrs) and everything was halal. we had cornbeef/silverside instead of bacon, and halal sausages instead of yuk pork ones. All the meat was from subshine halal meats. I think thats why there was so much barakah in it and the food was always AMAZING!!!!!! Masha'Allah!!

    once this lady travelled 1 hour to eat our fish n chips bcos she heard a really good reveiw about it on the radio!! sadly mum sold it and now chinese own it and it taste horrible. My mum wanted to teach them her "secret" batter recipe but they wanted to do their own stuff and it's not busy anymore.
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    It really is all in the batter, I miss potato cakes cooked in decent batter, it is almost impossible to get nice ones now. Steak burgers yum they are impossible to find (like a burger in batter). Ahh well back to daydreaming about great potato cakes of bygone days.
    I wont mind if you post your mums secret recipe for batter saRah, none of us will tell anyone about it, it will be "our" little secret..
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    ^ you still have the issue of dim sims, because there generally pork.
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    Quote Originally Posted by khadouj View Post
    It really is all in the batter, I miss potato cakes cooked in decent batter, it is almost impossible to get nice ones now. Steak burgers yum they are impossible to find (like a burger in batter). Ahh well back to daydreaming about great potato cakes of bygone days.
    I wont mind if you post your mums secret recipe for batter saRah, none of us will tell anyone about it, it will be "our" little secret..
    haha i once asked my mum and she didnt tell me!!! she will only tell me if i open up a fish n chip shop lol she's so cute and funny, she was so proud when i asked her

    unfortunatly MOST fish n chip shops use ready bought potato cakes. they are battered and frozen and sent to fish n chip shops by the companies. even some flakes are done in the same manner!! My mum used to sell fresh fish at the front window and actually cut the fish in front of them and fry it. yumm

    ummi Abdul malik i'm pretty sure there are a range of dim sims that are halal. I'll ask mum what she used Insha'Allah.
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    I'm talking about if you buy from a non muslim fish n' chip shop they can use pork dim sims.
    we have lamb ones in my house...

    I really dislike the pre-made potato cakes....i love potato cakes but can't find any decent ones
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    Bladin Fish N Chips in Laverton are now halal too

    Many of the Muslim owned businesses now prefer to use silverside/corned beef instead of bacon and there are many halal products available now alhamdullilah.
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