Looking for a Hadeeth/story and its authenticity ?

[aussiemu]

Cem: I don't know about that specific hadith but the last sentence is mentioned in a khutbah by Muhammad al-Shareef - maybe try emailing him?

[Cem]

I've heard there are a couple of brothers on this forum who are good at researching ahadeeth. Can they help trace this one?

[aussiemu]

My husband found it here:

http://www.islamweb.net/hadith//disp...499&startno=19

BTW the wording isn't exactly like the one you posted - no mention of 50,000 years before creation.

In another forum, they discussed its authenticity but differed as one of the sahaba is unknown.

[from water]

I have a couple of sources that do mention the fifty thousand years, and they link it to Sahih Muslim. The first source has a reference to the exact hadith in Arabic (the whole site is in Arabic), but the second English source has it in Sahih Muslim but it has a different number:

http://taimiah.org/index.aspx?functi...37&node=2924#3

http://hadithcollection.com/sahihmus...aJSG46IkY.link

[aussiemu]

from water: the second link isn't showing me that hadith?

[from water]

It's working for me, but it's possible it's using something it left in my browser's cache. Well here's the text as it is from the link:


Sahih Muslim Book 33. Destiny
Chapter : The excellence of arguments between Adam and Moses (Allah be pleased with both of them).

Abdullah b. 'Amr b. al-'As reported: I heard Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: Allah ordained the measures (of quality) of the creation fifty thousand years before He created the heavens and the earth, as His Throne was upon water.

Edit: Try it now btw, I changed the link.

[aussiemu]

I meant it doesn't show the hadith that Cem is after - about the angels and them in sujud raising their heads.

[from water]

Oh sorry, mistook it for another hadith for some reason.

[Cem]

My husband found it here:

http://www.islamweb.net/hadith//disp...499&startno=19

aussiemu, can you translate the hadeeth for me please? I no speakit da Arabic!

[aussiemu]

I'll ask my husband when he is home as neither do I

From memory when he found it it said that from the time that Allah SWT created the heavens and the earth there are angels that are in sujud and they do not raise their heads till the day of judgement, and there are angels in ruku and they do not raise from ruku till the day of judgement.... missing bits that i can't remember... they say 'all glory be to you. we did not worship you as you deserve to be worshipped'. Anyways will get a proper translation inshallah.

[Cem]

Has your husband come back yet?????

[CVM]

Lolllll

[Sister.]

I need the hadith/ruling about not speaking during athan. Can't find it on islamQA or searchtruth.com.
Khelp pleej! urgento

[Sister.]

Also ruling on speaking during khutbah.

[Tay_]

I need the hadith/ruling about not speaking during athan. Can't find it on islamQA or searchtruth.com.
Khelp pleej! urgento

by Shaykh Abdul-Karim Yahya

The Call to Prayer (adhan) is not invalidated by a small amount of speech that interrupts its continuity. However speaking during the Call to Prayer for other than the interest of the call is offensive (makruh)[1], and it is sunna not to speak even for its interest[2].

[1] See: Ibn Hajar al-Haytami, Hawashi al-Sharwani Wa Ibn Qasim al-Abbadi 'Ala Tuhfah al-Muhtaj Bisharh al-Minhaj (Beruit, Dar Ihya' al-Turath al-'Arabi), 1:470.

[2] See: Muhammad Ramli, Nihayah al-Muhtaj ila Sharh al-Minhaj (Beruit, Dar Ihya' al-Turath al-'Arabi), 1:412

[Sister.]

Thanks bro Tay, need the hadith though (if there is one) as I'm quoting it for an assignment (and I'm not sure about how to look up the references you gave ).

[Tay_]

Also ruling on speaking during khutbah.

by Shaykh Sohail Hanif

It is agreed upon that speaking is not allowed during the khutba. Among the evidences for this is Allah most highs saying When the Quran is recited to you then be silent and listen attentively that haply you may be shown mercy [7:205].

Imam al-Sawi mentions in his supercommentary on the tafsir al-Jalalayn that the Quranic exegetes mention four possible reasons for this verse being revealed [asbab nuzul]. Firstly that it was revealed concerning the khutba. This is the preferred opinion according to Jalaladdin al-Suyuti in the tafsir al-Jalalayn, explaining that the khutba was referred to as Quran because that is what much of it comprises of. Secondly that it is a general command referring to whenever the Quran is recited. Thirdly, that it was revealed to stop people from speaking to each other when praying behind an imam as they used to do before speaking during the prayer was forbidden. Fourthly, that it was revealed concerning reciting the Quran aloud when one is praying behind the imam. [Hashiya al-Sawi Ala al-Jalalayn, 2:311, Dar li Ihya al-Turath al-Arabi]. Imam al-Nasafi mentions in his tafsir that the most correct opinion is that it was revealed concerning both reciting behind the imam and speaking during the Friday khutba. [Madarik al-Tanzil wa Haqaiq al-tawil, 1:628, Dar ibn Kathir]

Among the hadiths that enjoin one to silence during the khutba is the rigorously authenticated hadith from the Prophet that he said "If you say to the person next to you Be quiet on Friday during the sermon then you have committed a blameworthy and rejected act" (laghw). [Muslim].

And he also said (Allah bless him and give him peace) "Whoever performs the ablution and perfects his ablution then comes to the Friday prayer and listens attentively and remains silent he will be forgiven for everything between it and the other Friday with an additional three days and whoever touches pebbles has committed something rejected and blameworthy" (laghw). [Muslim] This hadith indicates that in addition to speaking, even unnecessarily fidgeting during the khutba is impermissible as in the prayer

[Sister.]

Looking for the hadith about the man who was on his death bed and couldn't recite the shahadah so his mother was contacted and asked if her son had upset her and she said he would always take his wife's side over his mum then only after she forgave him he was able to say his shahadah.
Also I need the grading of how authentic it is.

[carol_au]

If anyone favors his wife over his mother...!




At the time of the Prophet (PBUH), there was a young man named Alqamah. He was very diligent in obeying Allah (SWT) by engaging in prayer and fasting and spending in charity. Then he fell ill and his illness became serious. His wife went to the Prophet and said, 'My husband, Alqamah, is on his deathbed. I therefore came to tell you, Messenger of Allah, about his condition.'

The Prophet (PBUH) sent for Ammar, Suhaib and Bilal, and told them to go to him (Alqamah) and have him repeat the Shahadah. They went to him and found him in the agony of death. They asked him to say, 'La illaha illa Allah,' but his tongue was unable to pronounce it. At that, they came and told the Messenger of Allah that he was unable to repeat the Shahadah.

The Prophet asked, 'Is either of his parents alive?'
He was told, 'Messenger of Allah, his mother is, but she is very old.'

The Prophet sent her a message that if it was convenient for her (if she was able to go out), she should come to him; otherwise she should stay in her house and the Prophet would come to her.

The Prophet's messenger came to her and informed her of the Prophet's message. She said, 'May my life be a ransom for him, it is my pleasure to go to him!'

She stood up, leaning on her walking stick, and came to the Prophet and greeted him. The Prophet returned her greeting and said to her, 'Umm Alqamah, tell me the truth, for otherwise Allah Most High will reveal the truth to me! What is the situation concerning your son, Alqamah?'

She replied, 'Messenger of Allah, he prays much, fasts a great deal, and spends a great amount in charity.'

The Prophet said, 'And what about yourself?'

She said, 'Messenger of Allah, I am angry with him.'

He said, 'Why?'

She replied, 'Messenger of Allah, he has preferred his wife to me and has disobeyed me.'

Allah's Messenger said, 'Umm Alqamah, surely your anger has prevented Alqamah's tongue from pronouncing the Shahadah.'

He then turned to Bilal and said, 'Bilal, go out and collect a quantity of firewood.'

She said, 'Messenger of Allah, what do you plan to do?' He replied, 'I will burn him in front of your eyes.'

She said, 'Messenger of Allah, he is my son! My heart cannot bear your burning him in front of me!'

He said, 'Umm Alqamah, Allah's punishment is more severe and more lasting! Therefore, if you want Allah to forgive him, be reconciled to him. By the One in Whose Hand is my soul, the prayer, fasting, and spending in charity (which he has done) are of no benefit to Alqamah as long as you are angry with him!'

Thereupon she said, 'Messenger of Allah, I call upon Allah Most High and His angels and the Muslims who are present to be my witnesses that I am pleased with my son Alqamah.'

Allah's Messenger said, 'Bilal, go to him and see whether he is now able to say, 'La illaha illa Allah' or not. It may be that Umm Alqamah is saying something for my sake which is not in her heart.'

Bilal went, and while entering the door he heard Alqamah saying, 'La illaha illa Allah.'

Bilal remarked, 'It is surely true that while Alqamah's mother was angry with him his tongue was tied, and now that she is pleased with him his tongue is freed.'

Alqamah died the same day. The Prophet (PBUH) came to him and gave the order for his washing and shrouding, and then prayed the funeral prayer for him and buried him. He then stood by the side of his grave and said, 'You company of Muhajireen and Helpers, if anyone favors his wife over his mother, Allah and His angels and all the people curse him! Allah does not accept his spending (in charity) and his uprightness unless he repents toward Allah, the Glorious and Majestic, and reconciles with her and attains her pleasure, because Allah's pleasure consists in her pleasure and Allah's anger consists in her anger.'

That's the hadith I think sis insha'Allah.. there is no reference though.. looking for it now insha'Allah

EDIT: Reported (Tabarani and Ahmad)

I'll leave it here.. as I have no idea it's strength.

[falah]

I need the hadith/ruling about not speaking during athan. Can't find it on islamQA or searchtruth.com.
Khelp pleej! urgento

The person who hears the athaan should repeat each line after the imam.

“When you hear the mu'ath-thin, say what he says”
[Saheeh al-Muslim]