Muslim men and NonMuslim Men

[juhu10]

Salamu Alaykum, brothers, i was just wondering what Muslim men think of nonMuslim Western men. We always see them talking about you and how evil and misogynist you are etc. etc., but we never see you talking about them. So i'm curious, what are you views of them? do you admire them, respect them, fear them, want to be like them etc.? thanks for any feedback

[Abdraheim]

why dont you start by telling us how you feel about them

[juhu10]

ok, but this Q was mainly directed at Muslim men. it's been my experience that they are quite nice and real curious creatures. they are always asking me about the deen and they're gentle with me where they would not be with a nonMuslim woman

[Abdraheim]

and muslim men?

[juhu10]

what's to say? they're brothers and they can be really cruel and annoying as are real brothers but they can also be really nice

[Abu Layla]

I find they're alright most of the time.

[CrownUrEmaan]

Even though I'm not a brother, our deen teaches us to say good or remain silent and leave alone that which does not concern us. I think that's why you don't find much brothers talking about western men. Even so, I mean what can be said? You got the good and bad with everyone. I have seen many good respectable non-Muslim men and I believe you get this with the way u are to yourself. If you show respect to yourself, ur religion and everyone else you will get it back.

.. want to be like them etc.? thanks for any feedback

I think once you know what Islaam is and the life it offers, no man that is sane will want the life of a westerner. I don't mean that in a bad way but we have a hidden treasure that's inside. It's happiness and content that you find in nothing but God and Islaam. I've known many men that have done pretty much everything under the sun and live the western way of live but eventually knew something was missing. No matter what they did, there wasn't inner peace and happiness. So people like that, I know won't trade it for the world.

We have a saying in Turkish; "Ne yana dönersen dön, yine Allah'ha dönersin"

Meaning; "What ever direction you turn, you will eventually turn back to Allah"

^And the reason to that is, you were created not by chance but by God and the only thing that will fill that missing spot inside is your coming back to Him.

[Abdraheim]

ok, but this Q was mainly directed at Muslim men. it's been my experience that they are quite nice and real curious creatures. they are always asking me about the deen and they're gentle with me where they would not be with a nonMuslim woman

what's to say? they're brothers and they can be really cruel and annoying as are real brothers but they can also be really nice

so you have positive things to say about kaafirs but for ur muslim brothers not so positive?

[juhu10]

i'm harsher on my muslim brothers because i love them more

[from water]

I see a lot of Muslims talk about non-Muslim men, and as said above some are nice others not so much. Point is though, when a man does not have Islam, he will be doing a lot in his life that is incorrect. How damaging is it for a Muslim man to miss a Jum`ah prayer, or to not read Qur'aan, or to not pay Zakaa... yet non-Muslim men don't do any of these things for the sake of Allah (swt) and are deprived of their purification properties.

Moreover.. it really is not appropriate for a Muslim man to dally or get overly friendly and familiar with a female (Muslim or otherwise) that he is not married to. For this reason, it is very possible you do not see that side of good Muslim men. But that doesn't mean they're not nice, because while you may not see that side of them, if truly they are good Muslims, they care about you and your wellbeing more than non-Muslim men do. It is for that very reason that they would not get too friendly and familiar with a Muslim girl in fear of exposing her and themselves to fitnah, for the fitnah of women on our ummah is in a class on its own. It is simply unrivaled by any other fitnah. So we really need to proceed with caution when dealing with members of the opposite sex for their good and for our own.

[Abu Layla]

One very patriotic type Christian Aussie once said to me "Aussie women aren't worth spitting on now". Dunno what he thinks about the men.

[Abdraheim]

i'm harsher on my muslim brothers because i love them more

Rather be like the Believing muslims who are harsh on the kaafirs and merciful to the believers

O you who believe! Whoever from among you turns back from his religion (Islâm), Allâh will bring a people whom He will love and they will love Him; humble towards the believers, stern towards the disbelievers, fighting in the Way of Allâh, and never afraid of the blame of the blamers. That is the Grace of Allâh which He bestows on whom He wills. And Allâh is All Sufficient for His creatures' needs, All Knower. (Al-Ma'idah 5:54)

[SammerTX]

Salamu Alaykum, brothers, i was just wondering what Muslim men think of nonMuslim Western men. We always see them talking about you and how evil and misogynist you are etc. etc., but we never see you talking about them. So i'm curious, what are you views of them? do you admire them, respect them, fear them, want to be like them etc.? thanks for any feedback

I don't really look at it that way.

We are all one humanity and all we as Muslims are commanded to do is share the message via mutual respect, kindness and justice to all. These are universally common values which is usually a good place to start.

The results are in the hands of our Lord.

[Ad-Dahr]

"O you who believe, verily the Mushrikun are Najasun (impure)..."

At-Taubah: 28.

(Sorry had to delete that original post)

[Luqman]

i find that the aussie men try to turn me away from the life that I have chosen...

they try and get me to drink beer, etc

[fatima_43]

look there are the respectful ones but there are the real annoying ones that don't want to accept that you can't shake hands and as much as you tell them they still try to tap you on the shoulder n do silly things like that. makes me sick. It's like if I was to go up to them when they're drinking beer and pull the can out of their hand, how angry would they get?

we don't accept each others beliefs but at least respect the right for someone to practice their own way and if someone makes it clear they don't wanna be touched then bloody heck don't touch em

[Newbee]

Muslim men - Normal men who believe in Allaah and usually care to do the right thing set by Allaah and his messenger (SalAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam).

Kaafir men - Normal men who need to practice more hygiene (I care not to elaborate). They do not believe in Allaah and/or his messenger (SalAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) thus in my eyes are like haywaan.

[SammerTX]

Selective Qu'ranic quoting and mass generalisations aren't right either.

I don't know why some adopt such a do or die approach towards those who are not Muslim but hate it when non Muslims do the same.

Really need to break from this road to nowhere approach.

That najasa quoted is a spiritual najasa as evidenced by the rest of the verse.

There are many people in general (Muslims included) that can practice better hygiene. Just look at their respective countries to see these things are not faith specific.

Allah (swt) speaks in very specific terms in the Qu'ran and Islam came to all humanity. It's not ours to withhold.

We really should start looking for more common ground as this is a better platform to better dialog.

[Abul Hasan As Sumaali]

Me personally I don't have anything against the non Muslims, I only hate them for the sake of Allaah if they were to become Muslims they would be more beloved to me than many of friends. When I say I hate them for the sake of Allaah I mean I hate the fact that they have chosen shirk and kufr over Tawheed and Islam. So I hate their 'aqeedah and their faith otherwise I got nothing against them.

[Abdraheim]

On a professional bases I have nothing against them, business as usual so to speak. It's only in social settings that thing start getting awkward as almost always their conversations turn toward what they did on the weekend or what they will be doing on the weekend which inevitably concerns either alcohol or the opposite sex. N that's when I go back to work or back to my assignments

Nothing to fear, nothing to envy but rather more pity if nothing else.