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24-Dec-2010 01:52 PMIbn Taymiyya (r) said: The Way of those Shuyukh of Tasawwuff is to call people to Allah's Divine Presence and obedience to the Prophet (Majma'a Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, Dar ar-Rahmat, Cairo. Vol 11. Pg 497)
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24-Dec-2010 02:32 PM
interesting arguements for and against. in all honesty i've been one of those leaning towards the view that it's forbidden but because i'm lazy and don't consider it such a major sin i don't even care. in any case, i never claimed that it was right or that it is 100% halal. it's just how it is. i've often heard the arguement that shaking hands is permitted because some respected dude at Al Azhar University in Cairo shook hands with visiting Western women. that's just 'pft'
24-Dec-2010 04:27 PM
The accusations against Shaykh Yasir are laughable..
He pledged allegiance to the Sufis, or he pledged allegiance to work with them.. Or any rubbish like this..
All he did was sign his name (along with many others) that they pledge to respect all those who call themselves members of Ahlus-Sunnah and they will cooperate together in righteousness.
Never did he say he will not condemn their mistakes, in fact, who in the West has written books that slam the Ash'aris better than those of Sh. Yasir? Almost every book he has condemns them and warns against them. His translation and commentary of Sh. Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab's Kashf ush-Shubahaat is unparalleled in the English language that speaks aginst the grave-worshippers and the Sufi/Ash'aris.
If anybody should be accused of being obsessed with slamming the Ash'aris and Sufis it should be Sh. Yasir.
But instead, he says we should respect those who claim to belong to Ahlus-Sunnah and its a bad thing? Because a Sufi also signed it? Seriously what is the problem here?
I remember asking him about this and he said in all honesty, the concerns of the American Muslims are not like those in other Muslim countries. You don't have Muslims apostating abroad, addicted to drugs, joining gangs, losing their Islam, not like in the USA. Their focus is on this more than anything, and if a Sufi or Tableeghi or Ikhwani or anybody can get this person to the masjid they should be thanked for this. We are not in other countries like Saudi where the biggest concerns are the Shi'a or the Ash'aris, rather our concern is the youth being lost to hedonism or extremism.
To commend others in calling them to Islam should not be a cause for us to slander them at every chance because they might have a mistake or 2. There is no need to kick people 'off the manhaj' and warn people against them when in all truth your own jamaa'ah could not possibly hope to guide all the youth in the USA, not even 1% of them. (these are a mixture of mine and his words)
Is that wrong? To do more than almost anybody in the West to warn against the Ash'aris and Sufis, but then to say if they call the youth to islam this is good and you will not slander them?
Read the shaykh's responses to why he signed this or contact him and you will realise there is more than enough reason in doing it.Il futuro appartiene all'Islam
24-Dec-2010 07:23 PM
This topic is a mess. I don't even know who is argueing about what - so far I've seen handshaking, yasir qadhi, sufis, nonmuslim men and calling them animals etc.
In regards to the topic of non-Muslims it honestly doesn't hurt people to realise this is an open forum to all - Muslims and non-Muslims and to exercise some wisdom in how you talk about people. We are here not to sit around talking about other people but rather we should be aiming to do dawah and if I was a non-Muslim I would be put off further reading from some of the comments here.
wallahu 'alam.Al-Hasan al-Basri said of hypocrisy: No one fears it but a believer, and no one feels safe from it but a hypocrite.