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Isn't there a Hadith about covering your ankles (for men) ? something about being proud...

Pants Below Ankles

Answered by Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

Question:

You have said the having your pants below the ankle is disliked with no sin but I have recently read this ''The majority of the Ulama say that whether it is worn with pride or without pride, it will still not be permissible because of the Hadith, 'Rasulullah (may peace and blessings be upon him) said, do not lower your pants below ankles, because it is from pride.' How can a person really see or know if he has pride? A person might feel or say he doesn't have pride, then why follow the manner of those people that have pride?

Answer:

Walaikum assalam,

There is no doubt that it is an expression of piety and love for the sunna of the Beloved Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him) to follow the outward purport of his every command and example. This is the way of love, and it befits us all to strive to follow it to the best of our ability.

However, the legal limits of the Shariah are also a manifestation of the Mercy of Allah, and apply to all people in all situations, and entail no undue hardship for humanity.

The transmitted position of all four madhhabs is that it is in of itself disliked (but not sinful) for men to lengthen their trousers below their ankles, and sinful when this is done out of pride.

The established position of the Shafi`i school [as mentioned by Imam Nawawi in his Sharh Sahih Muslim, and also in his Majmu`, and confirmed by the Shuruh of al-Minhaj] is that it is somewhat disliked (makruh tanzihan) to lengthen one's trousers without pride, and sinful when with pride. The Shafi`i scholars confirm that we do not affirm that someone who simply happens to lengthen is "being proud" by "turning away" from the sunna; rather, they are doing something somewhat disliked and would only be sinful if their motivation was pride or arrogance.

The same details are found in the works of the Hanbalis, such as their great books on al-Adab al-Shar`iyya, by Ibn Miflih and Saffarini.

You can find the same in the major reference works of the Malikis.

This is also the same as what you'll find in many of the major references of Hanafi fiqh, including: Fatawa Hindiyya, Naf` al-Mufti wa'l Sa'il of Allama Abd al-Hayy Lakhnawi, Umdat al-Qari of Allama `Ayni, Ibn Abidin al-Shami's Radd al-Muhtar, Ala' al-Din Abidin's Hadiyya al-Ala'iyya, and Nahlawi's al-Durar al-Mubaha fi'l Hadhr wa'l Ibaha.

So, after all this, how can it be a subject of condemnation?

Wassalam

Faraz Rabbani.

[Ummi_Abdulmalik]

JazakAllah Br. Falah & Tay

[EuroMuslim]

Is this what befriending others come down to? Superficial things like beard, length of there thobe, hijab, tight clothes?

Being a revert, i have been down that path many times where muslim brothers are so superficial about the smallest things & 'encourage you' to change.. From experience, it drives people away because it comes across pushy.. I no longer attend salafi lectures because they were so uptight & persistent about everything & anything, i felt like the talks were lectures of what you can & cant do, although alot of the talks were constructive & informative, alot came across negative..

How do people expect to invite others to islam with this mentality? The prophet (pbuh) forbade the consumtion of alcohol in 3 stages, that alone is an example of how we need to be tolerant of one another & have patience. Asking brothers to stop wearing jeans, grow the beard long & being so persistent with the sisters to stop wearing tight clothing has the actual opposite effect. We need to stop judging a book by its cover & instead open a conversation & understand there perspective on things.

Every action is judged by its intention. A sister wearing the hijab does not necessarily mean she will be rewarded any more or less then a sister contemplating putting it on & so forth. We do what we can, with what we have at the time. Some of us are not mentally as strong to transform overnight or over the course of a year or more.

Ever tell a child not to touch something? What's is the 1st thing the child does, he rebels & touches..

We live in Australia, we need to be tolerant & accepting of all races & religions. If we stick to our own circles of similar traits, who is left to guide & lead others? We are quick to pick up faults at others yet forget to overlook there faults.

The religious police don't belong here in australia nor any other western nation.

[abu turaub]

We live in Australia, we need to be tolerant & accepting of all races & religions. If we stick to our own circles of similar traits, who is left to guide & lead others? We are quick to pick up faults at others yet forget to overlook there faults.

The religious police don't belong here in australia nor any other western nation.

How do you feel about these verses?

And, [O Muhammad], warn the people of a Day when the punishment will come to them and those who did wrong will say, "Our Lord, delay us for a short term; we will answer Your call and follow the messengers." [But it will be said], "Had you not sworn, before, that for you there would be no cessation? 14.44

And you lived among the dwellings of those who wronged themselves, and it had become clear to you how We dealt with them. And We presented for you [many] examples." 14.45

Australia & Australians might be 'accepting' of all religions being equal and co-existing under the Southern Cross, but not Allah SWT.

[Abdraheim]

euromuslim i get what your saying bro, there needs to be positive encouragement when helping our brothers and sisters increase in their knowledge of right and wrong along with a welcoming and acceptance and most definitely understanding and patiences. most of us come from either a non-practising background or even non-muslim. so there is that knowledge gap or hesitation on certain issues. but where would we be if everyone was too worried to correct anothers mistakes because they feared it may be taken the wrong way. i know that if i was praying incorrectly or believed something that was wrong be it bid'ah or even kufr and that i wasnt corrected then i'd be upset because they didnt want to rock the boat. believe me mild embarressment in the dunya and opportunity to correct yourself is a whole lot better then blissful ignorance then facing your lord. but again often brothers/sisters need to take a breather and think about how to go about correcting a mistake and often thats all it may be, before they make matters worse

[Ummi_Abdulmalik]

Eromuslim I do understand what you're talking about, but I think with the Muslim community they get super excited when they meet reverts or people who want to start practicing Islam (who are already Muslims) and they give you all this information because they want to help you. And yes it does get overwhelming, but take it do as much as you can and just say I'm doing what I am able to do right now and InshAllah I will be able to do more in the future.

No one had a go at me or judge me for being a part time Hijabi when I was living at home and I've never met anyone who has judged someone who did do the Hijab part time to get use to it (however my reason was my dad was flipping out about me being a Muslim)

You do get people who are OTT and will go pull up your pants or wear the hijab full time no matter what or you're not a Muslim or you're going Jahannam.
But you just smile and ignore those people.

[SammerTX]

How do you feel about these verses?

And, [O Muhammad], warn the people of a Day when the punishment will come to them and those who did wrong will say, "Our Lord, delay us for a short term; we will answer Your call and follow the messengers." [But it will be said], "Had you not sworn, before, that for you there would be no cessation? 14.44

And you lived among the dwellings of those who wronged themselves, and it had become clear to you how We dealt with them. And We presented for you [many] examples." 14.45

Australia & Australians might be 'accepting' of all religions being equal and co-existing under the Southern Cross, but not Allah SWT.

These are out of context and have nothing to do with what the brother mentioned.

He is right and makes very valid points - we need to drop the focus with external cosmetics, get off our high horses and start treating one another and ALL those around us with the dignity and respect our faith demands of us.

[Umm Binyameen]

It's not always about being on our high horse. Some people take it very seriously that they need to advice and enjoin good and forbid evil. I'm the first to admit that it has to be done in the best manner and sometimes with a revert we take time, help them understand tawhid etc, but at the same time encouraging the good and making sure they understand that one day they will need to change eg put on hijab.

[SammerTX]

I agree with you but there are priorities.