Assess you life and stay in Australia

[SammerTX]

This is sad thing that we see amongst the Muslims today, they give themselves excuses to come to lands of the disbelievers.

I have never been to Egypt and I don't know anything about it, however just because a leader is oppressive, it doesn't give you an excuse to go and live amongst the Mushrikeen.

Many scholars were punished and killed by the rulers, did they run to lands of disbelievers ?

Did The Sahaabi Ka'b bin Maalik accepted the invitation of the Kuffaar to live in their lands, after He was boycotted by everyone in Madinah ?

Did Imaam Ahmad run to the lands of disbelievers when He was tortured for years ?

Did Sheikhu Islaam Ibn Taymiyyah run to the lands of the disbelievers when he was being jailed over and over again ?


The Messenger of Allaah Salallaahu 'alayhi wasallam said:

أنا بريء من كل مسلم ، يقيم بين أظهر المشركين

Translation: "I am free from every Muslim who lives amongst the Mushrikeen

narrated by Aboo Daa'wood and Imaam Al Albaani declared it to be Hasan in Saheeh Al Jaami', No: 1461.

So this is not an excuse.

Akhi, it is extremley unfair to continually quote this hadith completely out of context.

He made that statement when he was Amirul Mu`mineen of Madinah and said it in response to Muslims asking about if they could live under the Meccans who were fighting them. It has absolutely zero to do with living among non Muslims - NOTHING.

Another critical fact: Once the Prophet migrated to Madinah after fleeing persecution, he never lived in Mecca again. He made the place he went to his home. He lived out the rest of his years and died in Madinah. He only returned to Mecca to conquer it then went back to where he migrated from.

Allah's land is wide and vast and people today are free to travel wherever they wish to go in order to freely practice their religion.

If it's a land which happens to have a majority of non Muslims, then so be it.

[Abul Hasan As Sumaali]

So why haven't you migrated to a Muslim country yet?

So, why are you still there?

I am planning to leave, In Shaa Allaah as soon as I can. I don't have a problem with those who are planning to leave, how the problems comes when they decide to live the rest of their lives in the lands of the non Muslims.

I think it's simply easier to be an arm-chair critic. That's why he's still here.

Ukhti, May Allaah reward you with good, You don't know anything about me, try to have good thoughts about your brother in Islaam, Baaraka Allaahu feeki.

[Abul Hasan As Sumaali]

إرشاد الأخيار إلى وجوب الهجرة من بلاد الكفار
باللغة الإنجليزية
للشيخ أبي عمرو عبد الكريم الحجوري


Guiding the Best of People to the
Obligation of Making Hijrah
From the Lands of the Disbelievers

By Ash-Sheikh Abu 'Amr 'Abdul-Kareem ibn Ahmad
Al-Hajooree

Introduction by Ash-Sheikh Yahyaa ibn 'Ali Al-Hajooree



Download the Book From here

[Abul Hasan As Sumaali]

My dear

You do not know anything in this live or even in Islam.

I hope people like you keep silent

My dear, you don't know me and who I am. lets not accuse others of being Juhhaal and all. Baraaka Allaahu feekum.

"people like me" advise the Muslimeen with that which is best for them, In Shaa Allaah, so don't expect from "people like me" to be quiet, A7sana Allaahu ilayk.

[srashed]

إرشاد الأخيار إلى وجوب الهجرة من بلاد الكفار
باللغة الإنجليزية
للشيخ أبي عمرو عبد الكريم الحجوري


Guiding the Best of People to the
Obligation of Making Hijrah
From the Lands of the Disbelievers

By Ash-Sheikh Abu 'Amr 'Abdul-Kareem ibn Ahmad
Al-Hajooree

Introduction by Ash-Sheikh Yahyaa ibn 'Ali Al-Hajooree



Download the Book From here

I Muslims people did not go to other places, how do other people hear about Islam?

Through the internet and video conferences !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Remember people in far east (India, Malezya, Indonesia) knew Islam through trade and interaction with Muslims .

[srashed]

My dear, you don't know me and who I am. lets not accuse others of being Juhhaal and all. Baraaka Allaahu feekum.

"people like me" advise the Muslimeen with that which is best for them, In Shaa Allaah, so don't expect from "people like me" to be quiet, A7sana Allaahu ilayk.

Many Muslims people do not know basic things about Islam and claim that they can advise the Muslimeen just because they red few books or few articles in the internet. That is a major problem.

[from water]

Mad props to Abul Hasan As Sumaali in this topic. I hope Allah (swt) grants me a place to live in our countries where I can benefit our people.

May Allah reward Abul Hasan As Sumaali. To his critics, guys the scholars are saying the same thing and we can't just ignore that hadith. It's very difficult to conclude you want to move out of a country and start all over somewhere else, but if that's the right thing to do... you have to do it for your own sake.

[muslimah09]

Praise be to Allaah.

The basic principle is that it is haraam to settle among the mushrikeen and in their land. If Allaah makes it easy for a person to move from such a country to a Muslim country, then he should not prefer that which is inferior [i.e., living in a non-Muslim country] to that which is better [living in a Muslim country] unless he has an excuse which permits him to go back.

We advise you, as others have, not to go and live in a kaafir country, unless you are forced to go there temporarily, such as seeking medical treatment that is not readily available in a Muslim country.

Note that whoever gives up a thing for the sake of Allaah, Allaah will compensate him with something better, and that with hardship comes ease, and that whosoever fears Allaah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty), and He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine. You should also note that preserving one’s capital is better than taking a risk in the hope of making a profit; the Muslim’s capital is his religion, and he should not risk it for the sake of some transient worldly gain.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) issued a detailed fatwa concerning the issue of settling in a kaafir country, which we will quote here.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:

Settling in a kaafir country poses a great danger to the Muslim’s religious commitment, morals, behaviour and etiquette. We and others have seen how many of those who settled there went astray and came back different from when they went; they have come back as evildoers, and some have come back having apostatized from their religion and disbelieving in it and in all other religions – we seek refuge with Allaah – denying it completely and mocking the religion and its people, past and present. Hence we must take measures to guard against that and stipulate conditions which will prevent people from following this path which leads to doom and destruction.

There are two basic conditions which must be met before staying in kaafir countries:

The first condition is: that the person must be secure in his religious commitment, so that he has enough knowledge, faith and will power to ensure that he will adhere firmly to his religion and beware of deviating or going astray, and that he has an attitude of enmity and hatred of the kaafirs and will not befriend them and love them, for befriending them and loving them are things that contradicts faith. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“You (O Muhammad) will not find any people who believe in Allaah and the Last Day, making friendship with those who oppose Allaah and His Messenger (Muhammad), even though they were their fathers or their sons or their brothers or their kindred (people)”

[al-Mujaadilah 58:22]

And He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as Awliyaa’ (friends, protectors, helpers), they are but Awliyaa’ of each other. And if any amongst you takes them (as Awliyaa’), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allaah guides not those people who are the Zaalimoon (polytheists and wrongdoers and unjust).

And you see those in whose hearts there is a disease (of hypocrisy), they hurry to their friendship, saying: ‘We fear lest some misfortune of a disaster may befall us.’ Perhaps Allaah may bring a victory or a decision according to His Will. Then they will become regretful for what they have been keeping as a secret in themselves”

[al-Maa’idah 5:51, 52]

And it was narrated in al-Saheeh that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever loves a people is one of them” and that “A man will be with the one whom he loves.”

Loving the enemies of Allaah is one of the most serious dangers for the Muslim, because loving them implies that one agrees with them and follows them, or at the very least that one does not denounce them, hence the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “Whoever loves a people is one of them.”

The second condition is that he should be able to practise his religion openly, so that he can observe the rituals of Islam with no impediment. So he will not be prevented from establishing regular prayer, and praying Jumu’ah and offering prayers in congregation if there are others there with whom he can pray in congregation and pray Jumu’ah; and he will not be prevented from paying zakaah, fasting, performing Hajj and doing other rituals of Islam. If he will not be able to do that then it is not permissible to stay there because it becomes obligatory to migrate (hijrah) in that case.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said – explaining the categories of people who settle in non-Muslim lands:

The fourth category includes those who stay for an individual, permissible need, such as doing business or receiving medical treatment. It is permissible for them to stay as long as they need to. The scholars (may Allaah have mercy on them) have stated that it is permissible to go to kaafir countries in order to do business, and they narrated that some of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) had done that.

The Shaykh said – at the end of the fatwa:

How can the believer be content to live in the land of the kuffaar where the rituals of kufr are proclaimed openly and rule belongs to someone other than Allaah and His Messenger, seeing that with his own eyes, hearing that with his own ears and approving of it, and even starting to feel that he belongs there and living there with his wife and children, and feeling as comfortable there as he does in the Muslim lands, even though he and his wife and children are in such great danger and their religious commitment and morals are in such peril?

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Sh

[Curiously_Undercover]

My dear

You do not know anything in this live or even in Islam.

I hope people like you keep silent

errrm...open forum buddy. You give your opinion - irregardless if its wanted or not - and others give their opinion.

[S I M B A]

To the benefit of all of us, I'd encourage every member to assess his life and stay in Australia.

Why you encourging us ? have u ben to Australia ?

[from water]

Thanks Muslimah09 for the article. I recognize that from IslamQA and the reference is here:

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/27211

Also srashed, don't be so quick as to say Abul Hasan has no knowledge. He has helped many on this forum with his insightful posts, but even if you are doubtful, scholars who have plenty of knowledge have spoken on this subject as seen in the article above. Regardless of what opinion you follow, there is reason to worry about living in a kaafir country. Brother you do not want to be unpleasantly surprised on the Day of Judgment and be resurrected with these people rather than the Muslims, Allah forbid.

[I_despise_racism]

Australia is a wonderful country where we are allowed full freedom to practice our faith, it has law and order and most of its practices are from the Sharia. The country has more justice than most other nations and accepts everyone regardless of their religious or cultural backgrounds. The people are simple and open minded and all they need to accept Islam is good behevior from muslims and some knowledge about the basics of Islam

[Abul Hasan As Sumaali]

Many Muslims people do not know basic things about Islam and claim that they can advise the Muslimeen just because they red few books or few articles in the internet. That is a major problem.

Indeed it is a major problem. However I did not write except with the opinions of the scholars.

[Amin]

all they need to accept Islam is good behevior from muslims and some knowledge about the basics of Islam

I think we should be careful with these sorts of statements.

The Prophets (peace be upon them) had the best behaviour but that doesn't mean that all the people they were sent to embraced Islam.

[SammerTX]

The opinions of THREE scholars who make a very poor case in the referenced arguments.

You're getting lost in the discussion because you're only looking at it from a very limited point of view.

[Taliban Princess]

Amin who did you quote here because for the life of me I can't find it on this thread?

I think we should be careful with these sorts of statements.

The Prophets (peace be upon them) had the best behaviour but that doesn't mean that all the people they were sent to embraced Islam.

[aussiemu]

post #32 sis

[Taliban Princess]

Thanks sis. Sheesh, can people start writing in a font size larger than a 12? Thank you.

[Belal20111]

A very senior and respected friend once told me that Australia is a more Muslim nation than other Muslim countries and I could not understand this when i first got my work assignment here. After 17 years here I think he was right.

[S I M B A]

Belal20111^is your very senior and respected friend ever lived in a muslim countrie?
i meen you and your friend comparing apples and oranges,there is a pros and cons for every land but west is west and east is east.