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    I know this has most likely been brought up on this forum, I was just reading another Islamic forum that was discussing the topic.

    How old was Aisha (RA) when she married?

    This is what someone else wrote:


    QUESTION:
    How old was Aisha (R.A.) when she married the Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.)? Did Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) marry a 9 year old?

    ANSWER:

    The Quran was written during the time of Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) and its 100%
    authentic! Nowhere in The Quran is it mentioned about the Prophet's(P.B.U.H.)
    marriage!
    But its mentioned in the Hadiths!

    BUT LETS SEE WHAT THESE HADITHS SAY

    The Prophet married Aisha (R.A.) 1 year after Hijrah! This is a known fact!

    POINT 1
    According to Sahih Bukhari (which is the most authentic) of the hadiths! According to Sahih Bukhari, Aisha (R.A.) is reported to have said that at the time
    Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th Chapter of the Quran, was revealed, "I was a
    young girl"
    The 54th surah of The Quran was revealed nine years before Hijrah. So Aisha (R.A.) was a young girl (jariyah), and not an infant (sibyah) at that time! THE PROPHET MARRIED Aisha (R.A.) ONE YEAR AFTER HIJRAH! SO NOW WE KNOW SHE WAS A YOUNG GIRL, 9 YEARS BEFORE HIJRAH

    SO EVEN IFFOR EXAMPLE SHE WAS 7 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE SAID "I WAS A YOUNG GIRL", THEN SHE MARRIED THE PROPHET 10 YEARS AFTER THAT! WHICH MEANS SHE WAS OVER 17 YEARS OLD WHEN THE PROPHET MARRIED HER!
    POINT 2
    According to a number of narratives, Aisha (R.A.) accompanied the Muslims in the
    Battle of Badr and Uhud. It was usual for women to accompany men in
    battle so they can help in looking after the wounded.
    It was a strict rule that noone under the age of 15 was allowed to accompany anyone in battle! BATTLE OF BADR WAS 2 YEARS AFTER HIJRAH AND BATTLE OF UHUD WAS 3 YEARS AFTER HIJRAH! REMEMBER PROPHET Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) MARRIED HER 1 YEAR AFTER HIJRAH! WHICH MEANS SHE COULD NEVER HAVE BEEN 9 YEARS OLD WHEN THE PROPHET MARRIED HER!
    POINT 3
    It is a known fact that the Asma, (the elder sister of Aisha (R.A.)) was 10 years
    older than Aisha (R.A.). It is reported that Asma died 73 years after Hijrah when
    she was 100 years old!

    Now, Obviously if Asma was 100 years old 73 years after Hijrah, then Asma should have been 27 or 28 years old at the time of Hijrah! If Asma was 27 or 28 years old at Hijrah, then Aisha (R.A.) would be 17 or 18 years old at Hijrah! REMEMBER PROPHET Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) MARRIED Aisha (R.A.) 1 YEAR AFTER HIJRAH! SO THAT MEANS Aisha (R.A.) WAS 18 OR 19 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE GOT MARRIED!
    POINT 4
    Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr (father
    of Aisha (R.A.)) reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born
    during pre Islamic period!
    If Aisha (R.A.) was born before in the Pre Islamic period, then she would be more than 13 years old during Hijrah! REMEMBER PROPHET MARRIED HER 1 YEAR AFTER HIJRAH,
    WHICH MEANS SHE WOULD BE MORE THAT 14 YEARS OLD
    DURING THE TIME OF MARRIAGE!
    POINT 5
    According to Ibn Hisham, Aisha (R.A.) accepted Islam quite some time before
    Umar ibn Khattab. Umar ibn Khattab accepted Islam roughly 7 years before
    Hijrah!
    Obviously, she would have been a young girl when she accpeted Islam!

    If you add 7 years to a young girl! You can think for yourselves! REMEMBER PROPHET MARRIED HER 1 YEAR AFTER HIJRAH!
    POINT 6
    According to Ibn Hajar, Fathima (daughter of Prophet) was 5 years older than Aisha (R.A.)! Fathima was born more than 5 years before Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) was a Prophet! That means Fathima was born more than 19 years before Hijrah! PROPHET MARRIED Aisha (R.A.) ONE YEAR AFTER HIJRAH! SO THIS AGAIN PROVES Aisha (R.A.) WAS OVER 15 YEARS OLD WHEN THE PROPHET MARRIED HER!
    ALL THIS EVIDENCE SHOWS THAT Aisha (R.A.)
    WAS NOT 9 YEARS OLD WHEN THE
    PROPHET MARRIED HER!

    BUT WHERE DOES IT SAY SHE WAS 9 YEARS OLD?

    The narratives saying Aisha (R.A.) was 9 years old at the time of marriage, are
    reported only by a man named Hisham ibn Urwah reporting from what he
    heard from his father!
    If Hisham ibn Urwah was right then others would have also reported but Hisham ibn Urwah is the only person to report this! Hisham ibn Urwah lived in Medinah but its very fishy because there were so many others in Medinah including the Jews!
    Even the Jews did not report any such thing!
    If Prophet had married a 9 year old, obviously the Jews would have reported
    or made a fuss because as we know Jews always wanted to destroy Islam! All the narratives saying Prophet Muhammad (P.B.U.H.) married a 9 year old have been
    reported from Iraq! Hisham ibn Urwah moved to Iraq later and these
    narratives come from Iraq! Hisham moved to Iraq when he was 71 years old!
    We know Iraq was influenced by Shias! Shia Muslims don't like the Prophet!
    We don't know if the narratives of Hisham ibn Urwah were influenced by
    them!
    The narratives of Hisham ibn Urwah where he says Aisha (R.A.) was 9 years old when she married the Prophet have all come from Iraq!
    WHAT DO OTHERS SAY ABOUT HISHAM IBN URWAH?
    Tehzibu'l-tehzib, a man who was one of the most well known people on the life and reliability of the narratives of the traditions of the Prophet!
    What did he have to say about Hisham ibn Urwah's narrations?
    According to Yaqub ibn Shaibah he said: "narratives reported by Hisham
    which are reported through the people of Iraq are unreliable!
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    Interesting...Allahu a3lam. I have always heard she was 14 or 15 when she actually got married. My grandmother married at 14 and this was generations ago when they were extremely mature both physically and mentally, let alone over 1,400 years ago.
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    Hisham ibn Urwah lived in Medinah but its very fishy because there were so many others in Medinah including the Jews!
    Even the Jews did not report any such thing!
    If Prophet had married a 9 year old, obviously the Jews would have reported
    or made a fuss because as we know Jews always wanted to destroy Islam! All the narratives saying Prophet Muhammad
    This is not really the case. You fail to understand the situation in that time.

    Even just about 1 century ago, in the U.S, the age of consent in some states was 7 years old.

    In the British empire the age of consent was raised to a minimum of 12 yo. only in the 1800's.

    If we go back even further we find the concept of an age of consent was pretty much non existent. As for the Jews, according to their books of 'fiqh', it is permissible to marry a girl 3 years or older, so why would they be fazed by the Prophet (saw) marrying a 9 yo? I'm not saying your points are not worth considering, but the idea that "Because the Jews didn't say anything, therefore he didn't", doesn't really hold much weight when we consider their historical concept of age of consent.

    One thing I do know though is that in that time, marrying a 9 yo. was not unheard of, and was not considered wrong or too young in any culture on the face of the earth. In fact given the much shorter life spans that most people had back in those times, it was almost a necessity to marry quite young. Pretty much all societies on earth in that time had no real concept of an age of consent, merely a concept of when people seemed "matured" (usually around 10-12, sometimes a bit younger, sometimes a bit older), then they were considered ripe for marriage.
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    Salaam brother Abu rashid.
    These where not my thoughts or comments. I was always under the impression that she was around 9. I came across this on another forum which created much debate & wanted other opinions.
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    Hisham ibn urwa is Hisham ibn Urwa ibn az zubayr ibn al awwam.. he is the grandson of az zubayr so hardly an unknown as this piece of drivel suggests..

    Hisham ibn 'Urwah who heard it from 'Urwah ibn al-Zubair (ra) who heard it from 'Aisha (ra)

    and Tehzibu'l-tehzib is a book not a man...

    got this from another forum http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/show...marriage/page2

    A useful summary containing some of the information mentioned by the scholar in the episode above can be downloaded from here:

    Link: The Age of Aishah's Marriage Between Historians and Hadith Scholars http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HYF8VZQZ

    Some of the other chains mentioned for the Hadith (there are more):

    1- Aishah → 'Urwah → Az-Zuhree → Mamar → Abdur Razaaq → Abd ibn Humaid → Muslim

    2- Aishah → Al-Aswad → Ibraheem → Al-A’amash→ Abu Mua’awiyah → Yahya ibn Yahya, Ishaaq ibn Ibraheem, Abu Bakr ibn Abee Shaibah and Abu Kuraib → Muslim

    3- Aishah → Yahya (ibn Abdur Rahmaan ibn Haatib) → Muhammad (ibn Amr) → the father of U’baidullah ibn Muadh → Ubaidullah ibn Muadh → Abu Dawood

    4- Aishah → Abu Salamah ibn Abdur Rahman → Muhammad ibn Ibraheem → I’mara ibn Ghazya → Yahya ibn Ayub → the paternal uncle of Ahmad ibn Sa’d ibn Al-Hakam ibn Abee Maryam → Ahmad ibn Sa’d ibn Al-Hakam ibn Abee Maryam → An-Nasaaee

    5- Aishah → Abu U’baidah → Abu Ishaaq → Mutarrif → A'bthar → Qutaibah → An-Nasaaee

    6- Aishah → Al-Aswad → Ibraheem → Al-A’amash → Abu Mua’awiyah → Muhammad ibn Al-A'laa’ and Ahmad ibn Harb → An-Nasaaee

    7- Abdullah → Abu Ubaidah → Abu Ishaaq → Israeel → Abu Ahmad→ Ahmad ibn Sinan → Ibn Majah

    8- Aishah → Al-Aswad → Ibraheem → Al-A’amash → Abu Mua’awiyah→ the father of Abdullah → Abdullah → Ahmad ibn Hanbal

    9- Aishah → Al-Aswad → Ibraheem → Al-A’amash → Abu Mua’awiyah → Yahya ibn Yahya → Abu Ja’far Muhammad ibn Al-Hajjaaj Al-Waraaq → Abu Abdullah Muhammad Ibn Ya’qoub → Abu Abdullah Al-Haafidh → Al-Baihaqi

    10- Jaabir → Yazeed ibn Jaabir → Abdullah ibn Abdur Rahman ibn Yazeed ibn Jaabir → Abu Mushar Abdul A’laa ibn Mushar → Ibraheem ibn Al-Hussain ibn Daizeel → Ahmad ibn U’baid ibn Ibraheem Al-Asdee, the Haafidh of Hamdan → Al-Haakim

    11- Abdullah → Abu U’baidah → Abu Ishaaq→ Shareek → Yahya ibn Adam → Abdur Rahman ibn Saalih Al-Azdee → Muhammad ibn Moosaa ibn Hammaad Al-Barbaree
    → At-Tabaraani

    12- Qataadah → Sa’eed ibn Abee U’roba → Zuhair ibn Ala’la Al-Qaisee → Ahmad ibn Al-Miqdaam → Muhammad ibn Ja’far ibn Ai’n Al-Baghdaadee → At-Tabaraani

    13- Aishah → Al-Qaasim ibn Muhammad → Sa’d ibn Ibraheem → Sufyaan → Muhammad ibn Al-Hassan Al-Asdee → Al-Hassan ibn Sahal Al-Hannat → Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Hadramee → At-Tabaraani

    14- Aishah → Abu U’baidah → Abu Ishaaq → Mutarrif → A’bthar ibn Al-Wasim → Sa’eed ibn Amr Al-Sha’athi → Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Hadramee → At-Tabaraani

    15- Abu Maleekah → Abu Usaama → Al-Ajla’e Abdullah ibn U’mar ibn Abbaan → Muhammad ibn Abdullah Al-Hadramee → At-Tabaraani

    16- Aishah → 'Urwah → Hisham ibn ’Urwah → Abdur Rahman → Sulaiman ibn Dawood → the father of Abdullah → Abdullah → Ahmad ibn Hanbal
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    It was quite common for women to marry around this age in most parts of the world until recently.

    For example, in 1180, the Christian King Louis VII of France married his daughter Agnes to the Christian Byzantine Emperor when she was 8 years-old!

    Child brides, whether Byzantines or foreign princesses, were the norm rather than the exception, especially from the late twelfth century.
    http://www.roman-emperors.org/aggiefran.htm

    And for those who say that 9 is too young for marriage I would remind you that there are plenty of cases like this:

    thaigal.jpg


    Girl, 11, will be Britain's youngest mother

    A girl is to become Britain's youngest mother after becoming pregnant at 11

    The girl smokes 20 cigarettes a day despite being eight months' pregnant. She conceived aged 11 when she lost her virginity to a boy of 15 on a drunken night out with friends.

    ...Her 34-year-old mother, who gave birth to her youngest child eight months ago, said she was 'proud' of her daughter.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/ar...st-mother.html



    At dawn one day last week, in the Lima Maternity Hospital, Hilda Trujillo gave birth to a daughter weighing a trifle over six pounds. The mother took no anesthetic, and the five-hour labor was entirely normal; so was the child, except that it was perhaps a month premature. Not normal: the mother's age. She was herself a child of nine years, seven months, 28 days.

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...893791,00.html



    University of Bristol research has suggested one girl in six reaches puberty before the age of eight

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-baby-boy.html
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    http://books.google.com/books?id=d10...page&q&f=false

    ^that is comparing today to 500yrs ago, let alone >1000yrs ago
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    The reason why the Prophet married ‘Aa’ishah despite the age difference

    A Christian colleague of mine asked me why the Prophet married ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) when she was nine years old and he was nearly sixty, and was he intimate with her at that age or what? In fact I do not know how to respond to that.

    Praise be to Allaah.

    The Prophet married ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) after he married Sawdah bint Zam’ah (may Allah be pleased with her). She – ‘Aa’ishah – was the only virgin whom he married. And he consummated the marriage with her when she was nine years old.

    Among her virtues was the fact that the Revelation did not descend when he under one cover with any of his wives other than her. She was one of the dearest of all people to the Prophet , and news of her innocence was revealed from above the seven heavens. She was one of the most knowledgeable of his wives, and one of the most knowledgeable women of the ummah as a whole. The senior companions of the Prophet used to refer to her opinion and consult her.

    With regard to the story of her marriage, the Prophet had grieved over the death of the Mother of the Believers Khadeejah, who had supported him and stood by his side, and he called the year in which she died The Year of Sorrow. Then he married Sawdah, who was an older woman and was not very beautiful; rather he married her to console her after her husband had died and she stayed among mushrik people. Four years later the Prophet married ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her), and he was over fifty. Perhaps the reasons for the marriage were as follows:

    1 – He saw a dream about marrying her. It is proven in al-Bukhaari from the hadeeth of ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) that the Prophet said to her: “You were shown to me twice in a dream. I saw that you were wrapped in a piece of silk, and it was said, ‘This is your wife.’ I uncovered her and saw that it was you. I said, ‘If this is from Allah then it will come to pass.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, no. 3682). As to whether this is a prophetic vision as it appears to be, or a regular dream that may be subject to interpretation, there was a difference of opinion among the scholars, as mentioned by al-Hafiz in Fath al-Bari, 9/181.

    2 – The characteristics of intelligence and smartness that the Prophet had noticed in ‘Aa’ishah even as a small child, so he wanted to marry her so that she would be more able than others to transmit reports of what he did and said. In fact, as stated above, she was a reference point for the Sahabah (may Allah be pleased with them) with regard to their affairs and rulings.

    3 – The love of the Prophet for her father Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him), and the persecution that Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) had suffered for the sake of the call of truth, which he bore with patience. He was the strongest of people in faith and the most sincere in certain faith, after the Prophets.

    It may be noted that among his wives were those who were young and old, the daughter of his sworn enemy, the daughter of his closest friend. One of them occupied herself with raising orphans, another distinguished herself from others by fasting and praying qiyaam a great deal… They represented all kinds of people, through whom the Messenger of Allah was able to set out a way for the Muslims showing how to deal properly with all kinds of people. [See al-Seerah al-Nabawiyyah fi Daw’ al-Masadir al-Asliyyah, p. 711].

    With regard to the issue of her being young and your being confused about that, you should note that the Prophet grew up in a hot country, the Arabian Peninsula. Usually in hot countries adolescence comes early and people marry early. This is how the people of Arabia were until recently. Moreover, women vary greatly in their development and their physical readiness for marriage.

    If you think – may Allah guide you – that the Prophet did not marry any virgin other than ‘Aa’ishah (may Allah be pleased with her), and that all his other wives had been previously married, this will refute the notion spread by many hostile sources, that the basic motive behind the Prophet’s marriages was physical desire and enjoyment of women, because if that was his intention he would have chosen only those who were virgins and beautiful etc.

    Such slanders against the Prophet of Mercy by kafirs and others of their ilk, are indicative of their inability to find fault with the law and religion that he brought from Allah, so they try to find ways to criticize Islam with regard to issues that are not related to sharee’ah.

    And Allah is the Source of strength. May Allah send blessings and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad and his family and companions.

    For more information see Zaad al-Ma’aad, 1/106.

    http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/44990
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    You know what i find fluffed up.
    How everyone moans about Muhammad (as) being a pedophile when it was still completely normal in the 1400's to marry girls that age and have sex.
    or even have multiple wives (but through thousands of divorces) King Henry Tudor is a prime example.
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    Haters will always hate, everything that they do or once did is "fine" but when it comes to us it's not. They are ignorant buffoons
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    Quote Originally Posted by abu rashid View Post
    This is not really the case. You fail to understand the situation in that time.

    Even just about 1 century ago, in the U.S, the age of consent in some states was 7 years old.

    In the British empire the age of consent was raised to a minimum of 12 yo. only in the 1800's.

    If we go back even further we find the concept of an age of consent was pretty much non existent. As for the Jews, according to their books of 'fiqh', it is permissible to marry a girl 3 years or older, so why would they be fazed by the Prophet (saw) marrying a 9 yo? I'm not saying your points are not worth considering, but the idea that "Because the Jews didn't say anything, therefore he didn't", doesn't really hold much weight when we consider their historical concept of age of consent.

    One thing I do know though is that in that time, marrying a 9 yo. was not unheard of, and was not considered wrong or too young in any culture on the face of the earth. In fact given the much shorter life spans that most people had back in those times, it was almost a necessity to marry quite young. Pretty much all societies on earth in that time had no real concept of an age of consent, merely a concept of when people seemed "matured" (usually around 10-12, sometimes a bit younger, sometimes a bit older), then they were considered ripe for marriage.
    http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm

    this is good link..
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    According to many Christian websites, Mary the mother of Jesus (as) was said to be at 11 when she was affianced to Joseph, and I have read that Joseph is said to be at age 90 at the time...
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    I learned a new word today... Affianced...
    "Islam began as something strange, and it shall return to being something strange, so give glad tidings to the strangers." - Hadith
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    Definition for affianced:
    Web definitions:
    An engagement is a promise to marry, and also the period of time between proposal and marriagewhich may be lengthy or trivial.
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