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View Poll Results: Is Voting in a Kufr system of law Haram and leads to Shirk?

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    Continued fight against extremism starts from mosques 
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    Moderate Islam rears its ugly head in Yemen...
    (also please read this post I made previously on the Rand Corporation, i was wondering why would they publish such information.. NOW ITS CLEAR.. since reading the story on the newly self appointed mufti of australia (yet to be announced) its quite clear. Its allready established!) Also the big push in the US, UK and OZ (actually everywhere) for people to vote, (blatant lies) They are just making you stray from the path of Allah (swt)(click here why you shouldnt vote or participate in this process). Basically you wake up a Muslim(ah) and go to sleep a Kafir)

    Continued fight against extremism starts from mosques
    700 preachers trained in moderate Islam

    YEMEN SANA’A - A group of 700 mosque preachers will gather for a training course in Hadramaut starting on May 15. The participants, from all over the country, have been selected by the Ministry of Endowment and Guidance according to new criteria, Sheikh Yehya Al-Najjar, Deputy of Minister of Guidance, said.

    "This is biggest ever gathering of mosque preachers in Yemen," Al-Najjar told the Yemen Observer. "Seven hundred mosque preachers will be trained on the moderate form of preaching in a national move to counter extremism and radicalism."

    "Extremism and radicalism are the shortest path to terrorism," says Al-Najjar in explaining the long-term objectives of the training being conducted by his ministry.

    Al-Najjar told the Observer that his ministry receives complaints from fellow mosque callers and Imams about extremist preachers in their mosques. "Sometimes we receive complaints from citizens in a neighborhood where a preacher goes beyond moderate preaching," Al-Najjar pointed out. "We have received several reports on disputes and conflicts in mosques in reaction to preaching. We don't want to see that any more and that's why we are going on with our training program."

    The Yemeni government has adopted several peaceful approaches to contain the extremism and radical thinking being promoted in mosques by extremist preachers. Eight different training courses and seminars have been held by the ministry since 2001. About 3800 preachers from all over the country have benefited from the previous courses. 14000 preachers were targets of smaller and shorter training sessions. The total number of mosque preachers nationwide is about 28600, six hundred of whom are in the capital Sana'a.

    Last year, high-ranking officials including the President of the Republic and the Prime Minister continually stressed the role mosque preachers should play in society. The significance of it was shown during the nearly three-month period of hostilities in Sa'ada. Hussein Al-Hothi used mosques to gather supporters.

    President Saleh urged a gathering of clerics in August, including mosque preachers, to reach out to young minds, warning them against acts of extremism and fanaticism and to “oppose all acts that are not part of our religion and its forgiving nature.”

    The President also told mosque preachers to get tough on corruption, authorizing them to turn pulpits into the front line in denouncing corrupt individuals by watching out for abuses and publicly naming names.

    In another function, Ministers of Guidance Hamoud Ubbad and Rashad Al-Alimi urged mosque preachers to intensify their anti-extremism struggle. Al-Alimi said that mosques, “are unofficial means of control that play a great role maintaining security and reducing the crime rate.”

    Ubbad said mosque preachers have a moral obligation to promote loyalty among the people and ensure that the podiums of mosques, “are not encouraging sectarian and communal feuds.”

    The ten-day training course is designed to establish the principles of moderation and religious tolerance according to the teachings of Islam, as well as tackling several issues of concern such as family control in Islam, and the role preachers should play in this respect. The third major concern to be debated is the issue of revenge as well as general awareness on important contemporary issues.

    Participants represent different political and religious backgrounds and were chosen carefully from all areas of the country. Those who have never taken part in previous events and are influential in their areas have been chosen to take part in this 'huge' session, according to the Deputy Minister of Guidance, Al-Najjar.

    The lecturers in the Hadhramout course are moderate religious scholars, university professors, and five figures from the clergy from Al-Azhar Al-Sharif in Cairo. Prominent Sheikh Al-Habib Omar Bin Hafeedh, Al-Habib Ali Al-Jafri of Tarim, Hadhramout and Abdullah Ba Haron, Rector of Al-Ahqaf University in Hadhramout and several clerics are scheduled to lecture in this event.

    The Yemen Observer talked to some preachers about their training session. Noman Hamoud Muhsen of the Al-Tawba Mosque in Attan Haddah said, “Extremism is not of our religion, and we denounce any extremism or terrorism in any form. Terrorism does not have a religion or identity.”

    Another preacher, Waleed Saif Al-Faqih, from a private-built mosque said: “We hope the government does not restrict the preacher and impose restrictions on him, but we are against extremism and wrong thoughts. We believe in calling for Islam with kind words and a willingness to enter into discussions. We have in our country the best preachers and we do not need any preacher from other countries."

    The Ministry of Endowment is the official body that appoints mosque Imams, callers and preachers in mosques nationwide after passing qualification tests. Those mosques are built by the government, private sector or charitable figures. "The main objective in this respect is to keep mosques apart from political and partisan propaganda," Al-Najjar said.
    Oh Allah I conveyed, oh Allah bare witness, Amen
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    Surah/Chapter 004 - An-Nisâ. Verse 97.
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    Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say : We wer
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    I didnt derive that conclusion from what he said. I thought he was making a general statement about the hadeeth of the Prophet alayhis salatu was wassalam who said which means, there will come a time where the muslim will sleep a believer and wake up a disbeliever, and vice versa.

    This is how I read it.

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    Last edited by dijma; 18-May-2005 at 04:49 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dijma
    I didnt derive that conclusion from what he said. I thought he was making a general statement about the hadeeth of the Prophet alayhis salatu was wassalam who said which means, there will come a time where the muslim will sleep a believer and wake up a disbeliever, and vice versa.

    This is how I read it.

    Allaahuaalim
    Thats how I wrote it, and also that how I see it. CLick on the link (in my first post) and read.

    Do you know the 99 names (attributes) of Allah? Well one of them is Al Hakim (which is the law giver), so who do you think made up the laws you are voting in? Are you saying that Al Hakim is the voted in government? Are you attributing, one of Allah (swt) attributes to a kufr system? Taking partners with Allah?

    The inconspicuous polytheism implies being dissatisfied with the conditions ordained by Allah.The proof of the above Shirk is the saying of the Prophet “The inconspicuous polytheism is more hidden among this nation than the track of a black ant over a black stone on a dark night” (Musnad Ahmad)
    Although this is not a hidden shirk..(ie voting) its direct Shirk. But just to give you an idea.

    Read the link i placed in the first post... (a link is an underlined piece of text)
    Just in case you missed it (
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    I will uplaad some articles.
    Last edited by Aburakeem; 18-May-2005 at 06:23 AM.
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    Surah/Chapter 004 - An-Nisâ. Verse 97.
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    Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say : We wer
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    Asalamu Alaykum wa Rahmatulahi wa Barakatuhu

    Here are a couple of articles on Voting. Akhie.. if I didnt believe it I wouldnt be giving this advise. I love you all for the sake of Allah.

    Insha'Allah the kufr wont stand between us.

    Wa alaykum Salam
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    Oh Allah I conveyed, oh Allah bare witness, Amen
    AbuRakeem

    Surah/Chapter 004 - An-Nisâ. Verse 97.
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    Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say : We wer
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    Quote Originally Posted by zwerf
    I edited the poll because the answers were loaded and offensive. It's not nice to put words in people's mouths.
    Jazzkhamu Alah Khairun, I gues it was abit too much.. may Allah forgive me.
    Oh Allah I conveyed, oh Allah bare witness, Amen
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    Surah/Chapter 004 - An-Nisâ. Verse 97.
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    Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say : We wer
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    Either way the poll is asking for people to give a fatwa, so I based my answer on what I have read and voted No. Based upon fatwas from Scholars not on my own opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadower
    Either way the poll is asking for people to give a fatwa, so I based my answer on what I have read and voted No. Based upon fatwas from Scholars not on my own opinion.
    OK, then please provide your fatwa, or the fatwa from the scholar. I have provided fatwa why you shouldnt participate or vote in the kufr system, please provide yours. Did you read the documents I provided? What is your own personal opinion on the articles?

    Allahu alim.
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    Surah/Chapter 004 - An-Nisâ. Verse 97.
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    Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say : We wer
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    http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=en...&QR=3062&dgn=4

    That would be a better answer, regardless, your poll was all black and white, which is never the case.
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    As for what I think on the issue, then if it is of benefit to the Muslims to vote for a certain candidate then yes they should vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadower
    As for what I think on the issue, then if it is of benefit to the Muslims to vote for a certain candidate then yes they should vote.
    That answer posted is not a fatwa, and cannot be used as basis of making a decision. Even the author of the article says..

    Quote Originally Posted by Islam Q&A - Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid
    ..With regard to this matter, we have to refer to the people of knowledge who understand this principle.
    So on what basis you made it Halal, i dont know. The author does not support his findings with daleel, besides that, the author also does not address the issue of one of Allah (swt) attributes, which is Al Hakim, the law maker. We cannot participate in a system where the government is Al Hakim. Only Allah is Al Hakim, and who ever atributes Allah attributes to other than Allah is comiting Shirk al Akbar.

    So what will make a person who is "voting" in a legislator other than Allah, Al Hakim?

    Allah knows best.
    Oh Allah I conveyed, oh Allah bare witness, Amen
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    Surah/Chapter 004 - An-Nisâ. Verse 97.
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    Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say : We wer
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    U can add Sheikh ibn Baz, Sheikh ibn Uthaimeen, and even greater then them insha'Allaah, Sheikh Sa'dee, may Allaah be pleased with them, aameen.

    Their fatwah pertaining to Muslims living in a minority.

    Some of the mashaik even went on to say its wajib if it brings a lesser evil to the society.

    So we should acknowledge that there is a difference of opinion on the issue of voting in a western democracy as a Muslim minority.
    Last edited by dijma; 23-May-2005 at 12:09 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muhammad
    How are Muslims going to affect the vote if they are a minority? Why issue fatawa on this matter when Muslim vote is not even counted as 1%?
    We shouldnt be living as a minority.. Allah knows best
    Oh Allah I conveyed, oh Allah bare witness, Amen
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    Surah/Chapter 004 - An-Nisâ. Verse 97.
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    Lo! as for those whom the angels take (in death) while they wrong themselves, (the angels) will ask: In what were ye engaged? They will say : We wer
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