At a very young age when we were in Greece it was drilled into us to hate Turks.
Not for any other reason than the fact that 'they hated us'.
As I got older my grandfather would talk to me and get into it deeper, he didn't hate each individual Turk but hated what happened to the Greeks.
I'm not going to get into it too much but Alhumdulillah I don't hate Turks or any other nationality for that matter.
There are some horrible things that happened that can't be denied.
But Muslims also suffered.
It's easy to say Greeks made things up, it's also easy to pretend nothing horrible happened.
The greeks are extremely nationalistic and I would never ever try to sit down and tell a Greek that they're wrong about anything especially the whole Turk issue.
It's easier to just ignore it.
It's been hard enough for some of my family to accept me wearing a scarf let alone argue with them about the history of the country.
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21-Apr-2012 10:25 AM
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02-Jul-2012 11:03 PM
I'll cut it short.. JUST ANOTHER GOOD OL' GREEK MYTH ... just like how they used to refer to the Ottomans as 'barbarians' - they wouldn't admit they were outclassed in all aspects - Iman (faith), war technology and strength . They still choose to ignore the massive contributions the Ottomans made to the world"Verily you shall conquer Constantinople. What a wonderful leader will her
leader be, and what a wonderful army will that army be!”
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Omar Abdur Rahman (06-Jul-2012)
10-Jul-2012 01:02 AM
I'm sure some isolated cases of atrocities may have been committed against Greeks, but it completely pales in comparison to the systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing Greeks, Armenians, Serbs, Russians and other Christian peoples carried out against the Muslim Ottomans during the period. Entire nations of Muslims, like the Caucasian Muslims, Tatars, Circassians were almost entirely eradicated from existence, with only small groups of some of them left, who fled to Anatolia as refugees. Entire towns and villages all over Greece were ethnically cleansed of their Muslim populations, until not a single one remained. And this is reported by Western/Christians themselves, who were in many cases appalled by the absolute barbarity of the actions carried out. Foetuses torn from their mothers' wombs, infants/toddlers hurled en masse into the sea, it was just absolutely astounding the kinds of acts they committed. Nothing even remotely like this can be corroborated as being carried out by Ottomans against Greeks. There may have been the occasional pogorom as retalliation against these kinds of inhumanities, but nothing that remotely compares to it.
Here are some quotes from the time:
"A distinct and regular method appears to have been followed in the destruction of villages, group by group, for the last two months... there is a systematic plan of destruction of Turkish villages and extinction of the Muslim population. This plan is being carried out by Greek and Armenian bands, which appear to operate under Greek instructions and sometimes even with the assistance of detachments of regular troops" (23rd May 1921, the Inter-Allied commission)
"Manisa... almost completely wiped out by fire...10,300 houses, 15 mosques, 2 baths, 2,278 shops, 19 hotels, 26 villas... [destroyed]. Cassaba (present day Turgutlu) was a town of 40,000 souls, 3,000 of whom were non-Muslims. Of these 37,000 Turks only 6,000 could be accounted for among the living, while 1,000 Turks were known to have been shot or burned to death. Of the 2,000 buildings that constituted the city, only 200 remained standing. Ample testimony was available to the effect that the city was systematically destroyed by Greek soldiers, assisted by a number of Greek and Armenian civilians. Kerosene and gasoline were freely used to make the destruction more certain, rapid and complete. Alaşehir, hand pumps were used to soak the walls of the buildings with Kerosene. As we examined the ruins of the city, we discovered a number of skulls and bones, charred and black, with remnants of hair and flesh clinging to them. Upon our insistence a number of graves having a fresh-made appearance were actually opened for us as we were fully satisfied that these bodies were not more than four weeks old. [the time of the Greek retreat through Alaşehir]" (James Loder Park, the U.S. Vice-Consul in Constantinople)
You're wise not to discuss it with them, as nationalism surely would blind them from listening anyway.الشعب يريد خلافة من جديد