Headscarf ruling irks Saudis

[falah]

No polytheism eh Sammer?

...Gold medals since 1928 have been imprinted with the image of Nike, goddess of victory. And though the torch relay existed in antiquity, it was not part of the ancient Olympics. "It was 'invented' by the Nazis for the 1936 Berlin Games in an obvious attempt to connect the modern German state with the ancient Greek state," Mosher said...

[Abu Coburg]

There are still good scholars in Al-Azhar, but they are persecuted and prevented from gaining any limelight. (Yes, the military is still in charge and the "revolution" is a farce.)

Guidance comes from Allah. The Quran and hadith even mention of hypocrites in Madinah. The famous hadith about the earthquakes in Madinah at the time of the dajjal and the hypocrites leaving due to it, and so on. It is not unbelievable that there can be no evil scholars in Azhar, the institution.

As for the institution itself churning out quality scholars and upholding the Shari'ah, the Azhar of today is nothing compared to the Azhar of Al-'Ayni's or Ibn Humam's times, specially the commercial and political PR 'muftis' (muftaris in reality)!

[SammerTX]

You want to see what a real sheikh has to say about these joke fataawah regarding the olympics? I just so happened to be watching An-Nas' fatwa show and this was at the beginning of the QA session. It's in Arabic, but he makes it clear what a joke the people of ahlul sunnah think of these so called fatwas regarding the olympics, but those with weak wills will always cling onto these things, for there is the west to please Anything to make us look more "cultured" and "involved".

I forgot only your references qualify as "a real sheikh". The Grand Mufti of Egypt who has studied hadith and fiqh for 50 years and written over 30 books on the matter isn't as knowledgeable as you. Sorry bout that. It's clear he and all the scholars from Saudi Arabia, UAE and Morocco who backed his fatwa are also not from Ahulul Sunnah and are of "weak wills" because they want to "please the west".

Try harder to respect a difference of opinion; no matter how much you may not like it...then move on. Seriously, these people know more than you so the least you can do is say I don't agree with them on this particular matter but they have my utmost respect for their service to the Muslim world.

The rest of you engaging in petty bickering about who is a scholar, who are misguided scholars, who is this or that...give it a rest.

That's not a discussion any of you are qualified to have.

[AbuSuhayla]

There are still good scholars in Al-Azhar, but they are persecuted and prevented from gaining any limelight. (Yes, the military is still in charge and the "revolution" is a farce.)

Guidance comes from Allah. The Quran and hadith even mention of hypocrites in Madinah. The famous hadith about the earthquakes in Madinah at the time of the dajjal and the hypocrites leaving due to it, and so on. It is not unbelievable that there can be no evil scholars in Azhar, the institution.

As for the institution itself churning out quality scholars and upholding the Shari'ah, the Azhar of today is nothing compared to the Azhar of Al-'Ayni's or Ibn Humam's times, specially the commercial and political PR 'muftis' (muftaris in reality)!

So what are these scholars names? Dont say Abdullaah Azam lol.

[falah]

Polytheistic shirk false goddess printed on Olympic gold medals:

[from water]

There are still good scholars in Al-Azhar, but they are persecuted and prevented from gaining any limelight. (Yes, the military is still in charge and the "revolution" is a farce.)

Guidance comes from Allah. The Quran and hadith even mention of hypocrites in Madinah. The famous hadith about the earthquakes in Madinah at the time of the dajjal and the hypocrites leaving due to it, and so on. It is not unbelievable that there can be no evil scholars in Azhar, the institution.

As for the institution itself churning out quality scholars and upholding the Shari'ah, the Azhar of today is nothing compared to the Azhar of Al-'Ayni's or Ibn Humam's times, specially the commercial and political PR 'muftis' (muftaris in reality)!

Agreed. Of course there will always be good people who come out of there since Egypt is also home to some great scholars, and so no doubt some of those there would be influenced by them before/after entering, and at the same time there will always be those people who are honest with themselves and don't have that sellout nature. Also as you said, they are persecuted. I'm sure that the place is crawling with informants and has external agents working hard to keep it from really living up to its reputation, which is now tarnished after these incidents involving niqab, and just some of the whacky things that have come out of there in general.

[AbuSuhayla]

I have a question about your statements at the bottom of your posts. Who told you Singapore limits amount of muslims in each apartment building and bans hijab in schools? I have heard from Singaporeans with my own two ears explain that they limit all groups to a percentage in each apartment building. I think they said 18%. So you cant have more chinese or indians than that. Also in Singapore and Malaysia Muslim generally translates gto Malays. but if you were to be muslim or convert to Islaam your considered Malay. I lived in Malaysia so i know this part. I know many Sinagporeans as I studied with them in the Salafi madrassa on the border of Thailand.

[waleed-]

Is this true or false?

When saddam hussein was in power, when iraqis would go to the olympics, if they didnt win any medals, saddams sons would belt them. or something along those lines

[SammerTX]

Polytheistic shirk false goddess printed on Olympic gold medals:

Read up on the coins that existed during C. Uthman (ra), C, Ali (ra) and Muawiyyah 's reigns. They were filled with busts of Khosrow and the Zoroastrian fire altar. Same thing with Abdullah ibn Zubayr. All filled with Zoroastrian symbols.

And even after them, coins with huge crosses on them were the same coins Muslims used when they conquered the Romans.

Did they obsess over it and say "AAH SHIRK!"

No, they concentrated on living Islam and spreading it in their societies.

Those coins ended up phasing themselves out anyway.

[falah]

Read up on the coins that existed during C. Uthman (ra), C, Ali (ra) and Muawiyyah 's reigns. They were filled with busts of Khosrow and the Zoroastrian fire altar. Same thing with Abdullah ibn Zubayr. All filled with Zoroastrian symbols.

And even after them, coins with huge crosses on them were the same coins Muslims used when they conquered the Romans.

Did they obsess over it and say "AAH SHIRK!"

No, they concentrated on living Islam and spreading it in their societies.

Those coins ended up phasing themselves out anyway.

Are you totally incapable of understanding the difference between using coins and participating in a polytheistic shirk festival?

[SammerTX]

Running a relay is not shirk. Neither is throwing a javelin, a shot put, playing soccer or basketball, kayaking, shooting, weightlifting, wrestling, fencing, equestrian or any of the sports events there. I don't know how much simpler I can make it for you.

I've given you ample references from scholars spanning four countries who don't have a problem with them. If you want to take it up with them, please feel free to contact them directly.

Thank you.

[falah]

Running a relay is not shirk. Neither is throwing a javelin, a shot put, playing soccer or basketball, kayaking, shooting, weightlifting, wrestling, fencing, equestrian or any of the sports events there. I don't know how much simpler I can make it for you.

Singing is not necessarily shirk either, nor is lighting candles, but if you do it during a church service you are talking about a whole different kettle of fish.

I hope that is simple enough for you to understand.

[falah]

I have a question about your statements at the bottom of your posts. Who told you Singapore limits amount of muslims in each apartment building and bans hijab in schools?

I have lived in Singapore, so I do know a little about the place. Perhaps you could talk to the Muslims who moved to Australia from Singapore so that their daughters would be free to wear hijab at school. There are many of them here.

Mufti puts school over scarves

Singapore's top Islamic figures have urged the parents of four girls to send them to school in a growing row over a ban on the wearing of Islamic headscarves.

The Islamic Religious Council of Singapore (Muis) said in a statement posted on its website on Wednesday that education is more important than wearing the "tudung" - the Singaporean name for the headscarf.

Muis President, Maarof Salleh, said he had consulted Singapore's highest Islamic authority, Mufti Syed Isa Semait.

Reports say the families of two of the girls, both suspended from school on Monday for wearing headscarves, have rejected the plea.

A third Muslim girl failed to turn up for school on Monday, and a fourth was given until next Monday to comply with the rules.

International criticism

The row has widened with groups in several neighbouring countries criticising the Singaporean government policy of imposing strict uniform codes, which it says helps to maintain racial harmony...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/1804470.stm

Singapore tudung ban: girls being tutored at home, says lawyer

I have heard from Singaporeans with my own two ears explain that they limit all groups to a percentage in each apartment building. I think they said 18%. So you cant have more chinese or indians than that. Also in Singapore and Malaysia Muslim generally translates gto Malays. but if you were to be muslim or convert to Islaam your considered Malay. I lived in Malaysia so i know this part.

Singapore government restricts the percentage of Muslims in each apartment through race. Every Singaporean is required to carry an identity card with their supposed race written on it. As nearly all Muslims are identified as being of Malay 'race', the restriction on Malay 'race' is a defacto restriction on Muslims.

Chinese kafirs are allowed to form majorities in every apartment complex, while Indians and Malays are not. The target of the laws is Malay Muslims really because the percentage of Indians in the country is very small.

So the largest minority in the country - Muslim Malays - are not allowed to form a majority in any of Singapore apartment complexes.

[AbuSuhayla]

I see so it works the opposite of Malaysia than. In malaysia if your malay, and you dont need to be malay to be considered malay you get special priveldges. Aslong as your muslim or ethinicaly malay your Malay to the. I see what you mean when you said the race means they get excuded

[Ummi_Abdulmalik]

Sammer, you must be really blind to still not see how it's shirk after I and other have given Historical facts about the Olympics.

I could quote so much more but you seem to be ignorant and only accept your beliefs.

May Allah guide us all and keep us on the straight path.

[SammerTX]

Singing is not necessarily shirk either, nor is lighting candles, but if you do it during a church service you are talking about a whole different kettle of fish.

I hope that is simple enough for you to understand.

They're not doing anything inside a bloody church.

They are running, jumping, cycling and passing balls to each other.

They are playing sports.

If you need any further clarification, contact the scholars referenced as I'm sure they can explain it better to you.

[SammerTX]

Sammer, you must be really blind to still not see how it's shirk after I and other have given Historical facts about the Olympics.

I could quote so much more but you seem to be ignorant and only accept your beliefs.

May Allah guide us all and keep us on the straight path.

So after I referenced for you leading Muslim scholars around the world who have no problem with it and support my view; you assert *I* am blind? Why because I don't agree with you?

Let me put it to you this way.

The origins of the Olympics are irrelevant.

Because a few thousand years ago, they used to do so and so therefore it will always be haram. That's not even a concept in fiqh - anywhere. The critical point is what are the people doing now?

They are playing sports.

They're not sacrificing at the altars, worshiping Zeus, Apollo, Nike or any other ancient Greek MYTHICAL God.

Arabs used to sacrifice animals to false idol Gods for their aqeeqah's long before Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Why didn't he ban "this kufr, polythiestic event?"

There's a good chance you may have overlooked things also.

[UmmZ.]

Oh I'm awarded a medal for winning. Looks at medal and sees Nike on there. Cool. I'll display that on my mantle piece because that's the way I roll.

Oh that crucifix looks nice. Why, I'll display it on my mantle piece too. Cool.

Hey that elephant with the many arms is quite decorative. I shall display on my mantle piece. Coochi coo big belly on the elephant who's wearing gold.

There's nothing wrong with any of my ornaments, right?

[from water]

Oh I'm awarded a medal for winning. Looks at medal and sees Nike on there. Cool. I'll display that on my mantle piece because that's the way I roll.

Oh that crucifix looks nice. Why, I'll display it on my mantle piece too. Cool.

Hey that elephant with the many arms is quite decorative. I shall display on my mantle piece. Coochi coo big belly on the elephant who's wearing gold.

There's nothing wrong with any of my ornaments, right?

It's made even better when one breaks their fast, travels possibly without a mahram and even ditches hijab for it. But hey, mufti of Egypt said it was okay, so it has to be :'D

Nothing like letting down all your brothers and sisters in Islam and tarnishing the image of your religion for a pathetic piece of metal with a pagan diety on it, and all in Ramadan. Some people really have Allah's wrath upon them to be allowed to do this.

[Ummi_Abdulmalik]

Sammer, the pagan traditions are still being practiced today even *if* they aren't sacrificing cows at Olympia