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    What is the best way recommended to show Christians that their religion is false without offending them? Now i've watched a few Khalid Yasin DVD's and masha'Allah the brother knows his stuff... now i know a few... but what quotes from Jesus alayhi sallam are in the bible that can be used to prove the falsehood of their beliefs and what general verses in the bible refute their beliefs too?
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    Ask them to read the Quran.
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    I think I heard Brother Abu Hamza mention this once. They claim Jesus, may Allah be pleased with him, to be the son of God partly due to the fact he performed such miracles as speaking from the cradle and giving the blind vision, etc. They also believe in Abraham (Ibraheem), Moses (Mousa), David (Dawud), Lot (Lut), Noah (Nuh), etc (May Allah be pleased with them) as Prophets of God. From what I know (please correct me if I am wrong) Ibraheem (AS) was not affected by fire, Mousa (AS) parted the sea and light used to emanate from his hand, Iron used to melt in the hands of Dawud (AS) and many other more miracles where performed by the Prophets which we both claim as our own. If all these Prophets had performed many miracles, than why was their status not elevated to 'Son of God'? Jesus (AS) was not the only Prophet to perform miracles, and he wasn't the last. The Prophet Mohammed's miracle, may Allah be pleased with him, is the only miracle today, the Holy Quran has remained untouched for over 14 centuries and will remain unchanged until the end of time.

    They exagerrated Jesus (AS)'s status, when clearly they had no right to.
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    Just a note on Jesus peace be upon him speaking from the cradle. They do not believe in that miracle, the Muslims do. As it is only mentioned in the Quraan.
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    Jazakullahu khair for clearing that up for me akhi, may Allah reward you.
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    The following verses are from the Bible.
    They claim that Jesus is the Son of God yet these verses contradict that.

    1. "...Adam which is the son of god." [ Luke,3:38]

    2. "...that the SONS OF GOD, saw the daughters of men that they were fair. ....when the SONS OF GOD came unto the daughters of men and they bear children to them." [ Genesis 6:2-4]

    3. "...Israel is MY SON, even my first born,...." [ Exodus, 4:22]

    4. "...for I, God, am a FATHER to Israel and Ephraim is my first born." [Jerimiah, 31:9]

    5. " The Lord has said unto me ( David), 'Thou art MY SON: This day I have beggoten thee.' " [Psalm, 2:7]

    6. "...For as many as I led by the spirit of God, they are the SONS OF GOD." [Romans, 8:14]

    I can't see how it makes sense to them.
    How many " Sons of God" do they think there were?!

    I don't know whether this info is relevant, but I thought I'll just post it
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    Seems like they want to be one big happy family. Astaghfirillah Al'Azheem, may Allah bring Jesus pbuh down to kill off christianity.
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    Ameen!
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    i will get to you on what i think hopefully tonight in sha'allah
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    ok, here's what i think:

    as we do have different sect between muslims, christian have soooooooooo many more than us so you need to find out what sect does the person believe in and how much he knows about it.

    then after that from what he believes, you start working with them and also try to find out what really interest them "science, medicine, ....." then start working on it and give hints about what islam says about these things.

    if you notice then you will find that christian no nothing about thier religion compar to muslim (even non-practice muslim have some knowldge about haram and halal) so you need also to keep in mind how much knowldge they know about christianity.

    also is that person the type of people that follow his priest blindly or s/he think about what they learn.

    and the list goes on.

    so overall everyone is different from the other and everyone need a different method and different way to talk to them.
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    As far as I know, the term Son in the language at the time did not refer to a literal son hence why different prophets are called the 'sons' of God and also other people are referred to as the 'children' of god. It has to do with the language of the time.

    People should refer Christians to those who are knowledgable in Christianity to speak with anyone. Normal people should stay away from refuatations unless they are particularly skilled or knowledgable in the area.

    There are MANY different types of Christians and they do not believe in the same things. I have met Christians who don't believe in the Trinity. So depending on who you are talking to, you will address their points differently.

    Also you don't always need to refute someone to guide them towards Islam. With some people, it just requires them to understand Islam to be guided. Some people get caught up in doing refutations so much that they forget to actually speak about Islam to the person and what we believe in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Saifur-Rahman
    What is the best way recommended to show Christians that their religion is false without offending them?
    Try doing this ...... being a good Muslim, being an example that others will want to follow, instead of pointing out that their religion is false, because they will eventually realise this on their own.

    Apparently, countless people in the past have converted (reverted) this way.


    And as aussiemu has rightly pointed out :

    Also you don't always need to refute someone to guide them towards Islam. With some people, it just requires them to understand Islam to be guided. Some people get caught up in doing refutations so much that they forget to actually speak about Islam to the person and what we believe in.
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    i'm not a fan of debating anyway but just asking in case someone says to me... "if ur religion is true then prove how mine is false, what contradictions are there" for example
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    Quote Originally Posted by Abu Saifur-Rahman
    i'm not a fan of debating anyway but just asking in case someone says to me... "if ur religion is true then prove how mine is false, what contradictions are there" for example
    This isnt directed at you, but I guess for a lot of us, its easier to debate than to practice Islam as best we can.

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    Al-Hamdulillah a few people were willing to spend some time showing Christianity's faults Neo, otherwise me and many others would still have been misguided. Had've I relied on meeting a few nice Muslims, things wouldn't have gone very far, as there are nice people from all folds of life.

    When people come looking for the truth, we must present it, and when people claim that they have the truth, we show that they are wrong.

    As for Jesus 'alayhi salam and the whole son of God thing-
    The term 'Bar Elohim' (son of God) can be a general term used throughout the bible to mean 'good person'. In the Semetic languages words like father and son don't have to be literal.
    Eg. We all know that Abu Hurayra is not actually the father of kittens, and we know that the abu Sayyaf group is not the father of a sword. As well when you say 'ibn siteen sikeen' it does not mean the 'son of 60'.
    Abu can mean 'bearer/owner of', as in abu sayyaf, meaning, 'the bearer of the sword', and abu hurayra meaning 'the bearer/owner of kittens'.
    Ibn can mean the opposite, something that is borne. So ibn siteen can mean '60 year old', someone that has been borne of 60 years.

    How this translates toi the term bar elohim? I don't know exactly. All it doies is imply that the term is not literal.
    If anyone disagrees saying that the bible must be taken literally, quote the verse from the Bible which says that Moses 'alayhi salam was made as God over his people. Noone will agree witht hat verse literally.
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    When Mu'adh was sent to Yemen, what advice did the Prophet (saws) give him?
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